Am I A Nasty Person?

[Sigus]

I finally got the rest of the IK set of ladder and need 1 more lvl to be able to wear it. I entered a game call 'baal run' or what ever. They were killing shenk for the Q first so I join and killed him.

I knew I wanted my socket Q in my IK armour and went straight to get this done, as did another barb who was getting his storm shield done. How do I know this? Because he obviously didnt have enough room in his inventory and need the str bonus of the shiled its self to equip it... thus it dropped on the floor.

He panicked and tried to pick it back up. But he had no room... I did.

I have the guy's acc to wisper him and return it. But should I?

My questionis:-
Is it his own fault, shiuld he have had more sense?

Or

Was I lucky and punish him by keeping it?

[alainpp66]

Minor mistake. A decent person would return it.

[rickster]

The guys an idiot for dropping something of value on the floor in the game with other people in it. But you should do the right thing and return it.

[spuddogg]

Whatever the reason why he dropped it, you should do what you know your mama would tell you to do ... give it back.

[Dabadonut]

Well how would you feel if you were in that position? =\ Do the right thing man, give it back.

[JEDi-MiNDTRiCKS]

Give it back for sure, so the guy is maybe a bit of a newb for making a stupid mistake, give it back to him and tell him the mistake he made if he didn't know any better.

[StrikexForce]

i would keep it because if i made that retarted mistake i wouldnt get it back.

[Deepfriedspam]

i would keep it because if i made that retarted mistake i wouldnt get it back.

Sooooo..... just be as bad as the bad crowd? great reasoning there. I would rather be screwed over repeatedly, have no items of note because of being screwed over, and have a reputation for being a cool and trustworthy player. The cutthroat nature of many players out there sometimes disgusts me to the point of quitting. :rant: :grrr: :grrr:

[Ash Housewares]

do unto others as you would have them do unto you

not as they have done unto you

give it back, definitely, it was stupid, but its happenned to alot of people, that kind of thing you give it back


heh, one time I joined a game and there were 2 other guys there, one at stash and one waiting for him

the one at stash brings up trade window and puts up a duriel, storm, & some other pretty useful crap, then pushes trade button *yoink* I accept and run away giggling, that was alot worse, he thought I was the other guy and didn't bother to check character name or anything, THAT was stupid, I didn't steal off the ground, I had crap accidentally given to me, a kind gift, and I didn't return it, but you took something of his that he did not intend to drop, and you should return it

[Xiamet]

Do the right thing and give it back. The realms are already filled to the brim of low minded cut-throats...don't count yourself among them. Rise above it and go the high road. One less jerk in the world really does make a difference.

-X

[alainpp66]

Ash, that's no better than what Sigus did.

Either way you guys took items that weren't intended for you. At least Sigus has the opportunity to rectify it.

[Ash Housewares]

Ash, that's no better than what Sigus did.

Either way you guys took items that weren't intended for you. At least Sigus has the opportunity to rectify it.

some idiot gave me a bunch of free stuff vs. a guy got screwed by an annoying quirk of the game and someone stole his item off the ground

all I did was agree to trades, I didn't steal, I accepted

[alainpp66]

Keep telling yourself that, Ash.

[davew2040]

My questionis:-
Is it his own fault, shiuld he have had more sense?

Or

Was I lucky and punish him by keeping it?

It's hardly a matter of sense. The issues of str/dex requirements in equipping items is practically a bug in Diablo 2. It's bad programming that the game didn't re-equip the item where he took it from, as human intuition would suggest to us would happen. Does this involve common sense? No. Does it involve inexperience with the (faulty) game mechanics? Yes.

Were you lucky? Luck is killing Pindleskin and getting Tyrael's Might. The game rolls some random numbers, and those random numbers in your favor. However, profiting directly from the misfortune of others when you could easily rectify their misfortune is not "luck". There are other words for that, "greed" being amongst the most common.

So really, the only question that needs to be answered is: Do you feel that you're important enough to assume the authority of "punishing" other people for inexperience? You and I and everyone else here know that he'll learn from this mistake whether you make him suffer or not. Perhaps making him wait a short while will allow you to drive home any sort of lesson you were hoping for, if you're really inclined to be the world's teacher, as it were. But really, if the premise of "education" is your motive, and you truly believe that you're doing the world a favor by punishing, then sell the SS to Charsi and be done with it. Otherwise, you're just rationalizing greed.

The world we live in is too often marked by people or groups who feel it's their right to profit from misfortune. Sometimes, they go so far as to rationalize that God is smiling upon them for their divinity, and punishing the unfortunate for their other wrongs. This is not the path to a better world. Do your part, and do what you'd probably even ask someone else to do if they were in your position.

[Ash Housewares]

Keep telling yourself that, Ash.

I only told myself once, I stumbled into good fortune!
I'm only guessing what the other guys were up to, I can only assume they gave me free crap by accident, maybe he was just really nice :uhhuh:

[davew2040]

I can't even begin to imagine what Ash is thinking when he tells this story. He leads in with a suggestion that the poster do the right thing, and then proceeds to tell you about a moment when he was a complete jerk... and then tells us that what he did was okay and completely different from this new situation. Am I not reading this correctly?

When I first read his post, I thought he was offering it as an analogous situation that he's since felt some regret about. Subsequent readings led me to feel differently.

I think Ash has no real intention but to tell us about a time when he screwed someone, and is littering the discussion with mixed signals just as a matter of convenience. If you're going to do that, why even bother with attempting to fit your story into the context of the parent post?

[Shanksie1337]

I can't even begin to imagine what Ash is thinking when he tells this story. He leads in with a suggestion that the poster do the right thing, and then proceeds to tell you about a moment when he was a complete jerk... and then tells us that what he did was okay and completely different from this new situation. Am I not reading this correctly?

When I first read his post, I thought he was offering it as an analogous situation that he's since felt some regret about. Subsequent readings led me to feel differently.

I think Ash has no real intention but to tell us about a time when he screwed someone, and is littering the discussion with mixed signals just as a matter of convenience. If you're going to do that, why even bother with attempting to fit your story into the context of the parent post?
lol thats the way i read it, something along the lines of:

"Do the right thing
Here is an example of me being a cnut
I don't think i was being a cnut"

And to the original poster - do you really need to come to the forums to find the answer to this simple issue?
It's a game, played for fun, what's all the "teach them a lesson" krap all about?

In short - /w him, and give it back.

[CyberHawk]

Well I'm kinda on Ash's lvl also...I mean in the SS question yes I would give it back...becasue more than likely the guy would be like, "omg, plz give it back, my stash was full, and it dropped out"...and of course I woulda gave it back.

But if I were in another situation where an SOB was making comments..or said anything remotly wrong in my direction...then i would think of as a gift from the gods, and keep it.

So if this barb were to say..."****ing *******, give it back"....then hell no, I would keep it. But by him surely being grateful, and having feeling so stupid as in he dropped it, then yes I would return immediatly.


all depends on the situation.


but we all know, how this woulda been if it were reversed...so really it is his misfortune, and if his conscience could handle it..then by all means keep it.

[Sigus]

Well the guy is off line at the moment. Im still in 2 minds what to do here. I know alot of people say they would return it... but Im not sure many ofyous really would.

As for it the guy was being a jerk. He called me a n00b cos I pciked it up ie 'give it bad n00b' 'Ill hack your account if you dont'.... these are the wispers I got while posting the first time. :lol:

[rickster]

It's hardly a matter of sense. The issues of str/dex requirements in equipping items is practically a bug in Diablo 2. It's bad programming that the game didn't re-equip the item where he took it from, as human intuition would suggest to us would happen. Does this involve common sense? No. Does it involve inexperience with the (faulty) game mechanics? Yes.

Were you lucky? Luck is killing Pindleskin and getting Tyrael's Might. The game rolls some random numbers, and those random numbers in your favor. However, profiting directly from the misfortune of others when you could easily rectify their misfortune is not "luck". There are other words for that, "greed" being amongst the most common.

So really, the only question that needs to be answered is: Do you feel that you're important enough to assume the authority of "punishing" other people for inexperience? You and I and everyone else here know that he'll learn from this mistake whether you make him suffer or not. Perhaps making him wait a short while will allow you to drive home any sort of lesson you were hoping for, if you're really inclined to be the world's teacher, as it were. But really, if the premise of "education" is your motive, and you truly believe that you're doing the world a favor by punishing, then sell the SS to Charsi and be done with it. Otherwise, you're just rationalizing greed.

The world we live in is too often marked by people or groups who feel it's their right to profit from misfortune. Sometimes, they go so far as to rationalize that God is smiling upon them for their divinity, and punishing the unfortunate for their other wrongs. This is not the path to a better world. Do your part, and do what you'd probably even ask someone else to do if they were in your position.

Nice post but pindle can't drop Tyrael's Might.:D

[JEDi-MiNDTRiCKS]

If the guy was being a bastard about it and didn't even ask nicely for it back, then you have some reason to take it I suppose, but honestly being called a ''noob'' doesn't exactly piss me off much anyways, I would probably still give it back. If you're desperate, keep the damn thing its just pixels lol :cheesy:

[Siguesigue]

Be damned, keep it. Idiot should know better.

[Sigus]

Yeah, but you would say that sigue. Anyway, if hes on-line tommorow he can, if hes not Im not gonna spend my life hunting him down.

[holabuster]

after callin you a noob and threatening you, you should NOT return it. I mean, he was at your mercy and he was being an ***. keep it

[Omikron8]

Return it, that is a common mistake that the person did.

[Darkist Reign]

Its very likely I will never hold this shield you guys are talking about, but I will add some insight.

Lets say that you mistakeinly leave your wallet somewhere, youd want it returned to you right? I know a wallet and a game item are two differnt things, but think about things like that. I think giving him one more day seems fair, if he's not on I guess you got your self a new 'toy' didn't you? Best of luck in life with what ever you do

Travis

[Sumazndude]

There are quite a few people on D2 that are mean, desperate, and idiotic. e.g.: :cheesy:. So If it were me, I'd give it back, besides its just a game, no big deal.

[wind]

My questionis:-
Is it his own fault, shiuld he have had more sense?

Or

Was I lucky and punish him by keeping it?

Making a mistake through lack of understanding how the game works is no crime, so it won't be punishment your giving him.

The important thing is, what kind of person do you want to be? There are three types a person can fit into.

1) Be righteous, realize you got tempted, fell for it and now make a real effort to find him and give it back.

2) Be evil, it's his doing not yours, you just happened to be there. People like him deserve what happens.

3) Lies to self -> "Oh I did try to give it back, but he was never available"
truth -> making feeble attempts at contact and hoping a little bit that there's no answer. Then rationalize that the hands have been washed.

[Superhal]

i'd give it back. it's only a stormshield.

[Snarlin Stef]

if you give it back... you get a friend for you can now mule with and chat with etc...

and also get many many free items from each other inthe future....

however... even if that idnt happen... id DEFINATELY return it...

treat others the way you would like to be treated.... put yourself in his shoes.

thnx
stef

[memememe173]

Give it back. Remember karma.

Also don't worry about Ash, he dosn't have a Jiminy Cricket

[davew2040]

i'd give it back. it's only a stormshield.

The more valuable the item, the more personally rewarding it is when you have the willpower to return it.

[Sigus]

I mean to try every hour or so if Im on-line (which I no doubt will be most the day). But Im not gonna sit on the edge of my seat wispering him every 3 mins or so.

People must understand that. I will return it if he is on-line. I think I would feel better for it. :thumbsup:

If he dont appear by the end of the day Ill trade it...

[davew2040]

I think it's good that you're deciding to return it, but you should probably still remark that you think his attitude was crappy, and should at least attempt a more polite (i.e. common human courtesy) approach in the future if he actually wants people to not ignore him.

[Sigus]

I will do :thumbsup:

[Master-mind]

Think yourself in the same situation.. You would drop your Stormshield by an accident and someone else would pick it up.. You would surely want him to give it back.. :innocent:

[FattyMcGee]

Sell it to Charsi.

[Ash Housewares]

Give it back. Remember karma.

Also don't worry about Ash, he dosn't have a Jiminy Cricket

I am Jiminy Cricket, I used to have a Jiminy avatar, can't remember if I used it on these forums, my first ever character on realms was named Jiminy!

btw Figaro=pinnacle of awesomeness

[JohnofTesh]

I can remember all the nasty, viscious lying cheats I have had the sad misfortune to come across in game. I can also remember the kind, generous, interesting people I have met. It really just depends on how you want this particular person to remember you.

[ssmsdb]

I finally got the rest of the IK set of ladder and need 1 more lvl to be able to wear it. I entered a game call 'baal run' or what ever. They were killing shenk for the Q first so I join and killed him.

I knew I wanted my socket Q in my IK armour and went straight to get this done, as did another barb who was getting his storm shield done. How do I know this? Because he obviously didnt have enough room in his inventory and need the str bonus of the shiled its self to equip it... thus it dropped on the floor.

He panicked and tried to pick it back up. But he had no room... I did.

I have the guy's acc to wisper him and return it. But should I?

My questionis:-
Is it his own fault, shiuld he have had more sense?

Or

Was I lucky and punish him by keeping it?
Hmmmmmmmm,Its pretty disapointing that your even concidering keeping the item,I do realise its just a game,but as in real life,If you found a wallet with the persons ID in it and it also contained some cash,are you the kind of person that would keep it or simply do the right thing and returne it ( although it seems alot of people have a hard time doing it PUT YOURSELF IN HIS PLACE as if it was your wallet or item ) and as for the comments on it being his mistake,last I checked,were all human here,to sum it up,in a game were decent and concideret people have become rare,Try blowing someones mind by doing what you know to be right........and all bull$&#* aside,you know what that is

[wind]

Hmmmmmmmm,Its pretty disapointing that your even concidering keeping the item,I do realise its just a game,but as in real life,If you found a wallet with the persons ID in it and it also contained some cash,are you the kind of person that would keep it or simply do the right thing and returne it ( although it seems alot of people have a hard time doing it PUT YOURSELF IN HIS PLACE as if it was your wallet or item ) and as for the comments on it being his mistake,last I checked,were all human here,to sum it up,in a game were decent and concideret people have become rare,Try blowing someones mind by doing what you know to be right........and all bull$&#* aside,you know what that is

I agree.


I mean to try every hour or so if Im on-line (which I no doubt will be most the day). But Im not gonna sit on the edge of my seat wispering him every 3 mins or so.

People must understand that. I will return it if he is on-line. I think I would feel better for it.

If he dont appear by the end of the day Ill trade it...

I agree you shouldn't make a project out of it, but one day? Why hasn't it been thought of, that maybe he only plays once in a while. Or perhaps he has other things to do the next few days. Is it an inconvience to hang onto it for longer than that?

Personally I'd give it about two weeks and this is what I'd do which is quick and simple.

Just stick his name on your friends list and type "/f l" occasionally, not all the time, which isn't a big deal to do for a while. Takes 2 seconds.

[memememe173]

I am Jiminy Cricket, I used to have a Jiminy avatar, can't remember if I used it on these forums, my first ever character on realms was named Jiminy!

btw Figaro=pinnacle of awesomeness

Walt would be ashemed to see his beloved mentor of the wooden boy be abused by you.


I'm using Jiminy and wooden boy because I'm too tired to look up how to spell consiouns and Pinocho

[RottweilExpress]

If this happened to me, I'd return it. Definetly.

However...

He forfeited his chance the very second he said "noob". Bye, gone.

[wind]

If this happened to me, I'd return it. Definetly.

However...

He forfeited his chance the very second he said "noob". Bye, gone.

It's a question of what type of person he wants to be, not what type of person he stole it from.

This is like #3 type of person is in my previous post, the lies to self approach:
"Oh I tried to give it back, but he was a jerk."
Truth -> Only do the right thing if it suites you, if not screw the other guy.

[Siguesigue]

Fate dropped it in your hands. Keep it.

What possible reason do you have to return it? You'd feel just as good using that Storm as you would returning it.

[davew2040]

Fate dropped it in your hands. Keep it.

What possible reason do you have to return it? You'd feel just as good using that Storm as you would returning it.

Um......... no.

[necrodude]

Sell it to Charsi.

Only way to settle it...

[necrodude]

Fate dropped it in your hands. Keep it.

What possible reason do you have to return it? You'd feel just as good using that Storm as you would returning it.

You've got a point, but then again you're an idiot. Don't be weak like Sigue, give it back.

[Sigus]

Tried all day. He aint been on-line at all. O'well. I did try... like a 100 times.

[DhR_PvP]

Once I was in a dueling game with my pvp sorc whom I had at last got all of her equipment. I wanted to see how I would stand up to the ith users(1.09) in the pub games and was slain in a 3v1 and there was a few people dropping crappy items everywhere in hopes of you clicking on it so that when you went to get your body they would kill you and all your items would drop. So I had accidetly grabbed a ring so when I double checked my inventory to make sure I hadnt picked any thing up I didnt notice the ring picked up my body got killed and lost all my equip:

Ber Shako
Ber Perf Def/Res/MDR Viper Magi
Ber SS
15res/-15req Wiz
Mage Fist
Soj
Caster Belt (10 FCR/20 str/20 FR/53 life/33 mana/6% replenish/10 mana regain)
Caster Ammy(10 FCR/2 Skills/30 stats/54 life/27 mana/13 resist all)
Occy
Sur Lidless
Perf Waterwalks

All dropped! The duelers were full and had to go back to town to empty. I got all my cold and light skillers out of my inv and ran to my equip and managed to get the lidless and viper back but rest was gone. It was so up setting because it took so long to find and craft all the perfect stuff. So I asked who had it and the kid who had it /w me told me to come to a privet game and he gave it all back. Needless to say this absolutly made my day. For his kindness and returning all my gear w/o asking for anything in return, I rewarded him with 40 sojs(had the equivalent buying power of 60 290s at the time), the entire trang owl set and a few 30+ life pnb charms. Necros were his favorite characters.

Im not telling you this story to say return it he may reward you, but because I know how it feals to lose something you've worked hard to get and even more so the great fealing of having it returned.

Also remember what goes around comes around. -karma

[Sigus]

I have tried. I carnt do anymore than that. If anyone cares try to contact this guy... if you manage contact me and I will return the SS.

His acc was *simple-simon66

Tried all yesterday to contact him and he was not about. I do not intend to spend every moment on B-Net trying to get in contact with him. I have tried to do the right thing. True, what I done was wrong... but other players were arund and he was panicking and could have got it in time. If I didnt grabit someone who had no intention of giving it back would have got it.

I will try him every now and again... :thumbsup:

[PumpShot]

I have tried. I carnt do anymore than that. If anyone cares try to contact this guy... if you manage contact me and I will return the SS.

His acc was *simple-simon66

Tried all yesterday to contact him and he was not about. I do not intend to spend every moment on B-Net trying to get in contact with him. I have tried to do the right thing. True, what I done was wrong... but other players were arund and he was panicking and could have got it in time. If I didnt grabit someone who had no intention of giving it back would have got it.

I will try him every now and again... :thumbsup:

Just add his acount to your friends list and check it from time to time. He's bound to get online again sometime.

I'm with most people in thinking that you should give it back, but....if he's acting like a jerk, then he doesn't deserve it in the first place. I think you should meet with the guy in a private game and tell him you would have given it back if he'd been a little nicer. And then, based on how the guy acts now, decide whether or not to give it back.

Also remember that for some people, a stormshield is a dime a dozen. Maybe he's got two or three more as back-up. However, for most people, a stormshield is a real treasure. The way this guy acted makes me think that he's got some wealth and took his frustration out on you for being the person there that picked it up. Anybody and everybody here on the forum would have picked it up......if not just out of pure habit.

[Alkanine]

Honestly what I would do is this.

I would take his shield and then xfer it to another char of mine. (on diffrent account)

I would of writen down the guys name and whisper him on my account.
sorta like this
/w (name) hey I have a storm shield I dont want anymore want it????

Then i would tell him to go to game
Storm password shield

then give him his shield back for free and he will be so happy cause he just lost one and I still get away with his storm shield sorta :winner:

So this way he thinks im evil but I know im good makes me a Dual person and that is just plain damn awsome :flip: :buddies:

[tintrail]

Honestly what I would do is this.

I would take his shield and then xfer it to another char of mine. (on diffrent account)

I would of writen down the guys name and whisper him on my account.
sorta like this
/w (name) hey I have a storm shield I dont want anymore want it????

Then i would tell him to go to game
Storm password shield

then give him his shield back for free and he will be so happy cause he just lost one and I still get away with his storm shield sorta :winner:

So this way he thinks im evil but I know im good makes me a Dual person and that is just plain damn awsome :flip: :buddies:
w0rd :teeth:

[squigipapa]

I would definitly return it to him, show him that all people on battle.net are not A**Holes, and you'll probably gain a trustable buddy to play with on b.net.

[Gheeds Army]

i'd give it back... but am I?!? evil for what I"ve done (hope u don't say ash jr here)
i enter this drop items game...all is fair i'd say. this guy says he wants to go 1v1 with me and wispers to me to go to act 2. so i go and he asks me what i'm going to drop and i show him a um rune. he tells me he's going to use skullders. he moved a fair distance away and droped his skullders...so i turned it into a iron golem. then he starts *****ing and yelling that he's going to report me?(2 who the drop game police) he droped that item with the possability that he could lose it. well to b fair i droped the um rune, but he was 2 busy typeing to get it in time. so am I?!? evil....

[CyberHawk]

I think Siuge and Ash live on this place called Earth with me, playing a hella of a game that has consequences when something you did, that was so stupid, that you must pay the price.

He came

He dropped

He insulted

He lost his StormShield.

I know its what most of you dont like,...but its the way that world works. Tho i dont screw everyone, i get a chance to screw. But sometimes this all depends on situations...This guy tried to give it back, after he made his initial decision, hasnt worked..so be it, the guy lost his sheild. Its over.

Heck, just being honest.


One time this guy was showing me his stuff on his necro..and let me wear his Enigma, which I need badly btw, but since he trusted me, i have no choice but not to screw him over...thats the kinda person i am...but in this situation, the way the guy came and attack him with suck nice words as noob...then ya, fuk it...I would take his SS and personalize it..then come back and show it to him, laugh and leave.

[ploof]

Nice post but pindle can't drop Tyrael's Might.:D

does anyone know whether a tyraels might has dropped anywhere on the realms at all yet? I heard that it hadn't... but that's just hearsay for now.

and i'm stealing the thread because there's no point in telling him to give it back, he's either gunna make the decision or not :wave:

[memememe173]

does anyone know whether a tyraels might has dropped anywhere on the realms at all yet? I heard that it hadn't... but that's just hearsay for now.

and i'm stealing the thread because there's no point in telling him to give it back, he's either gunna make the decision or not :wave:
I havn't and neither have multiple firends

[spencert]

In the 1st place Sigus... you shouldn't even have picked it up. You knew he dropped it and it was his. That was wrong and he may done the impulsive thing by calling you names.

End of day, you have done the right thing in deciding to give it back...

[eron]

In the 1st place Sigus... you shouldn't even have picked it up. You knew he dropped it and it was his. That was wrong and he may done the impulsive thing by calling you names.

End of day, you have done the right thing in deciding to give it back...

I guess every single Bnet player will have the instinct of picking up a SS they see on the ground. I won't blame him for picking it up at the first place. I would have do the same too. If the guy who drop it is asking politely to have it back, I would have give it back to him, free, even I really want and need one. But the minute he start cursing and calling names, I'll just sell it to the NPC. Whether he have enough money to buy it back is not my problem, I didn't keep anything that do not belongs to me.

[spencert]

Kewl..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[xKurupT]

put ur self in his shoes... even if ur arnt stupid enough to do something like that... ofcourse he would of told you off and **** cos he was angry.... espeically if he was a newb he probly traded... you should give it back but u dont have too...

but i suppose if a botd dropped infront of me i would steal it..,.. **** it.... at the end of the day its only a game...

if he called u noob he must be really stupid as his the one who did socket quest witha full inventory.... if you feel guilty give it back if you dont keep it... if ur very item rich you can give it back too but if ur poor you might as well keep it :)

[EndTheory]

Do people really need to post on a forum to answer this question??

It was an honest mistake on his part. Whether he is a Noob or what not makes no difference in terms of what the right thing to do here is.

So apparently you are either going to not give him his item back or do so publicly so everyone can see how nice you are? bah..