Has 1.10 Whirlwind speed changed from 1.09?

[Shadoway]

I am using the speed calculator from 1.09:
http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

Can anyone tell me if it is still good in 1.10? Have things changed, especially dual-weapon whirlwind? Thanks!

[chubbypuppy]

WW breakpoints are -30 and -60.

Only the weapon base speed and the IAS on it counts for WW. IAS from eq does not count.

For example: If you have a weapon that has a base speed of 10, and it has 2 Shaels on it (40% ias), you would get 10-40=-30 ias, hitting the first breakpoint.

[Shadoway]

You sure? Then, it must has changed. It was -8 and -34 from the calculator.

[UManTarget]

How much of a difference does that second break point (-60) make? Should I socket my ik maul with 2 shaels or 2 ed jewels, since it can reach the first breakpoint without any shaels.

Or should I use 2 ed/ias jewels? Since I'm on ladder these are really rare, so would it be wasting them to use on just an ik maul?

[rickster]

Whirlwind breakpoints.
-10 and -35 for all one-handed weapons and all swords
-10, -30, and -60 for all two-handed weapons

Dual shael that IK maul.

[we3dling]

Whirlwind breakpoints.
-10 and -35 for all one-handed weapons and all swords
-10, -30, and -60 for all two-handed weapons

Dual shael that IK maul.

So what about upgraded Hone Sundan with 3 shaels?

U dont know it's base attack speed..

[Halciet]

So what about upgraded Hone Sundan with 3 shaels?

U dont know it's base attack speed..

Upgraded Hone Sundan is a Ghost Spear, so it's base attack speed is 0. So yeah, 3 shaels take it down to the last bp.

-Hal

[sorcyone]

Yes Hone Sundan with 3 Shaels reaches the -60 breakpoint since base is 0. It's one of the best WW weapons in the game, and one of the only 2 uniques in the whole game (the other is Viperfork) that can reach 8 frames per whirl.

My level 61 baba is using one in Hell now. No problems killing things in 3 player games, have only died in NM due to IM. I haven't upgraded it to elite yet, which nearly doubles it's damage since the damage on exceptional spears is so bad, and I only have 2 shaels in it, still looking for a third shael (so I only get 7 whirls) :scratch: .
I have pretty average equip: LOH, IK boot, belt, helm (2 ptopaz), Black Hades (3 ptopaz), dual leech ammy. AR is a bit of a problem but War Cry solves that, and with a 2 handed weapon you can afford to use weapon switch to War Cry with dual echoing weapons.

As a comparison, a high ed, upgraded Hone Sundan does about 2x the damage of the IK maul (8 whirls vs 5), which when you remember how good the IK maul is heck of a lot of damage.

[MastaLocust]

Hal, was wondering which of the two ghost spear and poleaxe would be better to use for eth botd i know both have same average damage but wondered if the less dex req the poleaxe has would make it better

thanks

[Halciet]

Yeah, the general concensus is that the great poleaxe is better, since it takes less dex and more str; dex just adds a tiny amount of AR, and if you're not using a shield, is pretty much worthless. Str, on the other hand, will boost the damage up some, which is nice for whirlwind, since it doesn't get much.

-Hal

[MastaLocust]

very cool thank you

[Shadoway]

Whirlwind breakpoints.
-10 and -35 for all one-handed weapons and all swords
-10, -30, and -60 for all two-handed weapons

Dual shael that IK maul.

Thanks a lot! That's all I need.