A Poor Mans MFer

[Fux0r]

This Guide is for people who have some gear but not much. It is very simple and easy to follow. The Poor Mans Mfer is a Necromancer. The Necro can survive Hell with less gear then any other build and is skilled in doing Pit Runs, Pindle Runs, Meph Runs, Diablo Runs, Baal Runs. Actually, he can pretty much handle anything with the exception of the Glacial Trial (the bodies tend to shatter to ice cubes,) and the High Council (the summons are distracted by the monsters in the water.)

Critical Mercenary Information:
Before getting started with the Necro build read this first. The build requires a strong mercenary. I suggest an Act 2 Combat Merc for Normal, and switch to an Act 2 Offensive Merc in NM.

Skill Tree:

20 Skeleton Mastery
20 Skeletons
20 Blood Golem *Please see notation at bottom
20 Golem Mastery
1 Summon Resist
1 Revive
1 Amplify Damage
1 Life Tap
1 Corpse Explosion

Stats:

Strength: Enough to wear your gear
Dexterity: Enough to wear your gear
Vitality: All remaining Stats will go here
Energy: Around 50 without gear equipped

Gear:

Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great

Merc Gear:

Helmet: Vampire Gaze, or Tal-rashs Helm
Armor: The highest Defense armor you can find or Shaft Stop
Weapon: The best Polearm Weapon you can find. Hawinns works all right, Bonehew Amn Hel works great.


Suggestion:

If you really like this build try these items on him latter he will be a PvM God, I calculated them all with Skeles in comparison to other weapons.

Helmet: Shako Socketed P Topaz
Ammy: 3 Summoning Skills + MF (magical ammy)
Weapon: Beast (rune word)
Armor: Enigma (rune word) Wyrmhide
Shield: Homunculus (Isted)
Gloves: Chance Guard
Rings: SOJ + Natures Peace**Please see notation at bottom
Belt: Arachnid
Boots: War Travelers or Marrow Walks (you choose MF or Dmg)
Charms: Annilus, Gheeds, Summon Skill Charms

Mercenary Gear:

Helmet: Andies Socketed with Tal rune
Armor: Bramble (rune word)
Weapon: Ethereal Doom (rune word) Giant Thresher

Notations:

*I know that that Blood Golem IM combo doesn't work anymore. The reason I used Blood Golem was that my PCs low virtual memory created lag like effects almost all the time. The Blood Golem kept me alive. If you have a fast PC, then you may want to use different skills other then Blood Golem and Golem Mastery

**The Rest in Peace Mod doesn't actually work unless you kill the monster yourself (i.e. Corpse Explosion) The level 5 Oak Sage is a nice thing to have in your army and usually stays well defended.

[jmprockstar]

[QUOTE=Fux0r]

Gear:

Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great

Merc Gear:

Helmet: Vampire Gaze, or Tal-rashs Helm
Armor: The highest Defense armor you can find or Shaft Stop
Weapon: The best Polearm Weapon you can find. Hawinns works all right, Bonehew Amn Hel works great.

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I dispute that this is a real poor man's MFer, especially the reference to the Shako. Is that a joke? It may be poor by your standards, but the only cheap items you have above are Goldwrap, Cow King boots, and maybe the Tarn. Crap Nagels (<20MF) are easy to get, I suppose, but you don't make that clear. Rhyme requires a Shael, which isn't that easy to get a hold of, since everyone needs a Shael for something. This requries a lucky drop.

A cheap MFer is something like:

Helm: Perfect Topaz (preferably 3) or Tarn
Armor: Sigon's
Shield: Sigon's
Boots: Sigon's (now you get the 50% MF)
Belt: Goldwrap
Weapon: Gravenspine, Spineripper
Gloves: Crap Chancies
Rings: Crap Nagels, or Rings of Luck (+mana, life, cast rate, resistances)
Ammy: Ammy of Luck (+skills, like said before, but also maybe resistances)

Charms: Any small or large charm with +MF, preferably with a good second mod.

Merc Gear:

Helm: Peasant Crown, Undead Crown, Rockstopper
Armor: Rockfleece, Ironpelt
Weapon: The Meat Scraper (prefered: has MF) or Battlebranch

This actually resembles my Summoner when I started using him for MF. It has worked for me.

Alternative could be all the above except:

Shield: Rhyme (if get a lucky Shael) in Bone/Grim Shield
Boots: Cow Kings
Armor: Skin of Vipermagi (if get a good Baal drop)

The second is the richer of the poor but hardly rich.

[Ash Housewares]

has DK seen your username?

[tl998]

I'm getting very sick of people who have no idea what 'poor' and 'rich' are. Arm of king leoric is basically the best weapon any skelemancer can hope for. This is like suggestion that a 'poor' hammerdin go mf with a HOTO flail. Grow a brain. When you started your first chars, did you have skulders, que-hagans, shakos, Bramble, Doom, etc? Next he's going to tell us that poor barbs can do well with BoTD. This thread was good for a cheap laugh tho.

In conclusion, I can ONLY deduce one of two things:

1) The author is kidding and is making a lame joke
2) The author was completely drunk off his BUTT (or high on drugs) when he made this post.

[HarbingersOfSouls]

This Guide is for people who have some gear but not much. It is very simple and easy to follow. The Poor Mans Mfer is a Necromancer. The Necro can survive Hell with less gear then any other build and is skilled in doing Pit Runs, Pindle Runs, Meph Runs, Diablo Runs, Baal Runs. Actually, he can pretty much handle anything with the exception of the Glacial Trial (the bodies tend to shatter to ice cubes,) and the High Council (the summons are distracted by the monsters in the water.)

Critical Mercenary Information:
Before getting started with the Necro build read this first. The build requires a strong mercenary. I suggest an Act 2 Combat Merc for Normal, and switch to an Act 2 Offensive Merc in NM.

Skill Tree:

20 Skeleton Mastery
20 Skeletons
20 Blood Golem *Please see notation at bottom
20 Golem Mastery
1 Summon Resist
1 Revive
1 Amplify Damage
1 Life Tap
1 Corpse Explosion

Stats:

Strength: Enough to wear your gear
Dexterity: Enough to wear your gear
Vitality: All remaining Stats will go here
Energy: Around 50 without gear equipped

Gear:

Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great

Merc Gear:

Helmet: Vampire Gaze, or Tal-rashs Helm
Armor: The highest Defense armor you can find or Shaft Stop
Weapon: The best Polearm Weapon you can find. Hawinns works all right, Bonehew Amn Hel works great.


Suggestion:

If you really like this build try these items on him latter he will be a PvM God, I calculated them all with Skeles in comparison to other weapons.

Helmet: Shako Socketed P Topaz
Ammy: 3 Summoning Skills + MF (magical ammy)
Weapon: Beast (rune word)
Armor: Enigma (rune word) Wyrmhide
Shield: Homunculus (Isted)
Gloves: Chance Guard
Rings: SOJ + Natures Peace**Please see notation at bottom
Belt: Arachnid
Boots: War Travelers or Marrow Walks (you choose MF or Dmg)
Charms: Annilus, Gheeds, Summon Skill Charms

Mercenary Gear:

Helmet: Andies Socketed with Tal rune
Armor: Bramble (rune word)
Weapon: Ethereal Doom (rune word) Giant Thresher

Notations:

*I know that that Blood Golem IM combo doesn't work anymore. The reason I used Blood Golem was that my PCs low virtual memory created lag like effects almost all the time. The Blood Golem kept me alive. If you have a fast PC, then you may want to use different skills other then Blood Golem and Golem Mastery

**The Rest in Peace Mod doesn't actually work unless you kill the monster yourself (i.e. Corpse Explosion) The level 5 Oak Sage is a nice thing to have in your army and usually stays well defended.


Sorry, but I wouldn't call the equipment a "poor man's".

Need to think like a total noob(or starting on ladder for the first time), and you have nothing.

When you start mfing, it usually 3 topaz helm, 4 topaz, and so on.

Though build wise, I can agree on.

HoSv2

[Fux0r]

The guide isn't called First MFer for one thing. In reference to the suggestion, that is an items list to refer to after your MFer is so poor anymore. I thought that was made clear.

I said in the beginning of the guide, "For a player that has somethings but not alot."

Alternatives are given with the expensive items, and this was the second character I made on the ladder after my fire sorc. Mabey you should refer to my guide "From Rags to Riches." This guide, my druid guide, and that guide all go hand in hand. Anyways, its only a guide. If your really so new at this that you can't get these items then mabey you should try improvising?

Jesus, you try to help people and all they do is *****.

[tl998]

Your 'guides' needto be more clear. If you're confusing this many people something must be wrong. And I don't see you listing alternatives ALL of the equipment slots. Guides can't really assume that the reader will just magically have all the items listed, and need to provide alternatives for every slot. Still, your title is -very- misleading no matter what. People come into this thread, expeting tips on mfing when they're DIRT POOR, in other words, when they're new. I mean, if you already have shako, skulders, arm of king leoric etc by the time you make this 'poor man' mf build, WHY BOTHER? You obviously already have a a working MF character before (your sorc, for example).

[HarbingersOfSouls]

The guide isn't called First MFer for one thing. In reference to the suggestion, that is an items list to refer to after your MFer is so poor anymore. I thought that was made clear.

I said in the beginning of the guide, "For a player that has somethings but not alot."

Alternatives are given with the expensive items, and this was the second character I made on the ladder after my fire sorc. Mabey you should refer to my guide "From Rags to Riches." This guide, my druid guide, and that guide all go hand in hand. Anyways, its only a guide. If your really so new at this that you can't get these items then mabey you should try improvising?

Jesus, you try to help people and all they do is *****.


Maybe you should be ALOT cleared then.....and pull your head outta your @zz. If you can't take people questioning your guide, the go back to the drood forum and post it there.

Jesus, you make a comment on a noob guide, and all they do is cry like a *****

HoSv2

[tl998]

Maybe you should be ALOT cleared then.....and pull your head outta your @zz. If you can't take people questioning your guide, the go back to the drood forum and post it there.

Jesus, you make a comment on a noob guide, and all they do is cry like a *****

HoSv2

Ok I shouldn't be laughing when I read that..bit I did. It was strangely satisfying for some odd reason.

[HarbingersOfSouls]

I'm getting very sick of people who have no idea what 'poor' and 'rich' are. Arm of king leoric is basically the best weapon any skelemancer can hope for. This is like suggestion that a 'poor' hammerdin go mf with a HOTO flail. Grow a brain. When you started your first chars, did you have skulders, que-hagans, shakos, Bramble, Doom, etc? Next he's going to tell us that poor barbs can do well with BoTD. This thread was good for a cheap laugh tho.

In conclusion, I can ONLY deduce one of two things:

1) The author is kidding and is making a lame joke
2) The author was completely drunk off his BUTT (or high on drugs) when he made this post.

3) The author wants to bring much humor and :drink: to MM.
4) Will get worse comments than mine from other fellow Necro Vets( I could name a few)
5)If Blood Golem is only one that he can use(due to cpu speed), then Gumby would lag him with his slowness.
6) Has brought humor to an otherwise slow night.
7) Made me want to go to sleep now(and turn over in my grave)

*Names a few Fellow Necro Vets(by request)
**And in no particular order

Mad Mantis :drink: (my drinking buddy)
TheFatty (My Homie)
Beatboxer (My Homie...and lives in my city)
LyteHammer(my RoadDawg...(5) 16+ hours days)
(Almost everyone the posts in the UsWest ladder post)
Any Necro Vet with common sense.

HoSv2

[Mad Mantis]

Some questions. Why not use Amp? What is u with the Golem? He needs an awful lot of points. If you want safety you can distribute these many different ways and be safer and faster than you are now.




I'm getting very sick of people who have no idea what 'poor' and 'rich' are.

Same here. Poor = No items. None. Only what you find in drops. The fact that a build, besides a theme build, needs certain equipment makes it a failed build IMO.





3) The author wants to bring much humor and :drink: to MM.

7) Made me want to go to sleep now(and turn over in my grave)

3) That is one goal I can support. Care to join me HoS? :drink: :buddies:

7) Whenever I turn over in my Grave my back rubs against the stone covering the grave. :grrr: I need to get this fixed.

[HarbingersOfSouls]

How can I turn down an offer like that...from the greatest drinker here?

:drink: :buddies:

HoSv2

[jmprockstar]

The guide isn't called First MFer for one thing. In reference to the suggestion, that is an items list to refer to after your MFer is so poor anymore. I thought that was made clear.

I said in the beginning of the guide, "For a player that has somethings but not alot."

Alternatives are given with the expensive items, and this was the second character I made on the ladder after my fire sorc. Mabey you should refer to my guide "From Rags to Riches." This guide, my druid guide, and that guide all go hand in hand. Anyways, its only a guide. If your really so new at this that you can't get these items then mabey you should try improvising?

Jesus, you try to help people and all they do is *****.


Fux0r:

I thought the point of posting builds was for us to consider them, critique them, and give you an opportunity to post it again later taking into consideration the criticism presented. Respond to the criticism. It's not helpful for anyone to whine about how others disagree with you. Your response reminds me of a cat bringing a dead rat to the feet of its owner and appearing upset when the owner flings the corpose out the window.

What you gave us wasn't a perfect beginner's MF build; arguably, it was not a "poor man's" MFer but a "middle class man's" MFer, someone who us lucked out on some good items, traded for some MF items, but hasn't quite gotten all the great items one needs for solid MF. That actually better suits the description you quote yourself as saying, "For a player who has somethings [sic] but not alot [sic]." But, in D2X, being poor is not having "somethings" but having NOTHING. The fact that we ALL noticed this should indicate to you that there are some problems that you should recognize and correct.

This is a good idea for a build, since it meets a demand for many new players who need a plan about how to build ladder characters. To that extent, you are doing a good thing here. To the extent that you believe you have finished your task, you are kidding yourself.

I would have liked to see the other guides you cited as making you an authority on this matter, but you do not link them. It would have been helpful for us to see if you do better work elsewhere. Perhaps in the Druid Forum (which I occassion) you have greater status and respect, since the number of regular posters there is so much smaller; you know what they say about big fish in a small pond. Here, it seems, there are a lot of people who have strong friendships held together by years of playing together; it's not as easy to impress them. Their experience at least matches, although it likely exceeds, your own; respect that.

I'm not one of these experience people (you will know them by their use of these two smilies: :buddies: :drink: ), and it was still obvious that this build needs improvements. If that makes me or any other respondent ungrateful in your eyes, then don't respond to us; it will do us all a favor. However, if you merely disagree with us, then explain your views. Everyone here put some time into our own responses, you would do well to do us the same courtesy.

[Mad Mantis]

Everyone here put some time into our own responses, you would do well to do us the same courtesy.

Sig worthy. :thumbsup:



Care for a pint? :drink:

[HarbingersOfSouls]

Fux0r:

I thought the point of posting builds was for us to consider them, critique them, and give you an opportunity to post it again later taking into consideration the criticism presented. Respond to the criticism. It's not helpful for anyone to whine about how others disagree with you. Your response reminds me of a cat bringing a dead rat to the feet of its owner and appearing upset when the owner flings the corpose out the window.

What you gave us wasn't a perfect beginner's MF build; arguably, it was not a "poor man's" MFer but a "middle class man's" MFer, someone who us lucked out on some good items, traded for some MF items, but hasn't quite gotten all the great items one needs for solid MF. That actually better suits the description you quote yourself as saying, "For a player who has somethings [sic] but not alot [sic]." But, in D2X, being poor is not having "somethings" but having NOTHING. The fact that we ALL noticed this should indicate to you that there are some problems that you should recognize and correct.

This is a good idea for a build, since it meets a demand for many new players who need a plan about how to build ladder characters. To that extent, you are doing a good thing here. To the extent that you believe you have finished your task, you are kidding yourself.

I would have liked to see the other guides you cited as making you an authority on this matter, but you do not link them. It would have been helpful for us to see if you do better work elsewhere. Perhaps in the Druid Forum (which I occassion) you have greater status and respect, since the number of regular posters there is so much smaller; you know what they say about big fish in a small pond. Here, it seems, there are a lot of people who have strong friendships held together by years of playing together; it's not as easy to impress them. Their experience at least matches, although it likely exceeds, your own; respect that.

I'm not one of these experience people (you will know them by their use of these two smilies: :buddies: :drink: ), and it was still obvious that this build needs improvements. If that makes me or any other respondent ungrateful in your eyes, then don't respond to us; it will do us all a favor. However, if you merely disagree with us, then explain your views. Everyone here put some time into our own responses, you would do well to do us the same courtesy.

He should feel like: A little worm on a big F~~~ing hook.

I agreed to his build for the most part...but he kinda had a temper tantum when he didn't like something he read. Like I said in my first post, need to try to put yourself into a noobs(or even starting on the ladder) shoes....when he has nothing and needs help just to learn how to play.

But, his response was something that a Romper Room reject(maybe alot before most people's time...but ask the parent's about Romper Room) would do though.

Anyway, jmprockstar...when MM offers you a pint...never turn him down :drink: :buddies:

HoSv2

[jmprockstar]

Sig worthy. :thumbsup:



Care for a pint? :drink:

I never refuse! :drink:

And a round on me (even for FuX0r)! :buddies:

[jmprockstar]

He should feel like: A little worm on a big F~~~ing hook.

I agreed to his build for the most part...but he kinda had a temper tantum when he didn't like something he read. Like I said in my first post, need to try to put yourself into a noobs(or even starting on the ladder) shoes....when he has nothing and needs help just to learn how to play.

But, his response was something that a Romper Room reject(maybe alot before most people's time...but ask the parent's about Romper Room) would do though.

Anyway, jmprockstar...when MM offers you a pint...never turn him down :drink: :buddies:

HoSv2

You're right to say that one who would build a poor man's guide to MF ought to include an assumption that many of the poor are also new to the game, and so, should make no assumptions about gameplay, such as what gear on which character (in this case, the Necromancer) and where to look. Even so, I still believe the items he list are even too expensive for a noob or a poor man.

And I still think FuX0r has a great idea in making this build. I would have benefited from it, had it been around when I started playing 1.10 ladder. It just has a lot of room for improvement. :) If he won't make one, I'll make one.


I didn't realize the standing Mad Mantis had! In that case, I'm honored!

:buddies:

[HarbingersOfSouls]

You're right to say that one who would build a poor man's guide to MF ought to include an assumption that many of the poor are also new to the game, and so, should make no assumptions about gameplay, such as what gear on which character (in this case, the Necromancer) and where to look. Even so, I still believe the items he list are even too expensive for a noob or a poor man.

And I still think FuX0r has a great idea in making this build. I would have benefited from it, had it been around when I started playing 1.10 ladder. It just has a lot of room for improvement. :) If he won't make one, I'll make one.


I didn't realize the standing Mad Mantis had! In that case, I'm honored!

:buddies:


It's basically the build I had when I started ladder. And did really well as a mfer also(using the perfect topaz helm and armor)


HoSv2

[FattyMcGee]

drink up fellas :drink:



Oh and since this is my second week on 1.10 bnet and I'm making my first mfer, let me go grab out my ethereal DOOM giant thresher and tal's andy's visage and Bramble armor TO PUT ON MY MERCENARY!


Honestly fuxor, It's nice of you to try to make a guide, but what poor man has all that crap to put on his mercenary? May I ask you, what is the RICH man's mercenary's gear???


You need to relable your guide, or your thread, or change all your gear, or something. It's all very misleading.

--fatty (recovering from Girl Scout cookies :buddies: )

[Pallidum]

I don't know man, it seems to me the original poster has a right to feel a little annoyed. I mean, here's a guy who's just trying to help people by typing what he thought was "relatively" cheap mf gear. He listed items and strategies, and he probably put a good half and hour-hour in typing all that up. I liked the presentation with the use of colors and footnotes.

And whats the first response he got? A post with "grow a brain", and "your guide is a lame joke." I mean cmon, constructive criticism is one thing, downright flaming is another.

Anyway, nice guide, maybe you can substitute some gears around for the really poor who can only afford wealth armor and topaz helm, etc.

[FattyMcGee]

I didn't say the flaming was nice. We all know these forums discourage flaming.

But the fact is, his guide is grossly misleading. When I was making my first mfers in the expansion, I didn't even KNOW about the wealth runeword, I can only imagine how many of the newer bnet players are familiar with all the really uber ones that you will only get by trading duped runes (i.e. doom, bramble, and others he listed in his guide).

Even in his "budget" section, he lists off Skin of vipermagi, arm of king leoric, shako, homunc, etc. How are these items ones for people who have "not much" in terms of gear??

jmprockstar hit it right on when he listed ACTUAL budget mf items.


The thing is, his guide is misleading and lacking in SO much. He doesn't even give mf suggestions, level suggestions, equipment combo suggestions, in-game tactic suggestions, and is vague with stat distributions. This is not a guide. This is an attempt at one, and although it may have been made with sincerity, it falls far short of what it needs to be in order to achieve the "guide" description.


As I said before, this guide needs some serious WORK. That's not a flame, that's a fact.

--fatty

[FattyMcGee]

He listed items and strategies

mind pointing me to this elusive "strategies" section? I seem to be blind in the part of my eye that lets me read such things.

Unless you're talking about the last sentence of his first paragragh... saying that the necro can't handle glacial trail or council well is strategy?

[TheKbob]

Hey, What about me... no props or :drink:

Geez... FuXoR your last "guide" on the druid forum (wind guide) said you were quiting...

so why not quit while your... not ... ahead.

Sorry, low tolerance tonight, just refer to every other post before mine to take some good information...

~Kbob

[sir goatscelot]

Well now for my 2 cents: there was effort put forth which counts for something. A simple reply such as " I think your guide is incorrect" is fine. I agree it should be edited before too many new people take it to heart.

Flaming to the degree that some have is not needed or called for here. I guess it's time for me to get flamed lol.
*runs off to grab fire extinguisher* :)

[Pallidum]

mind pointing me to this elusive "strategies" section? I seem to be blind in the part of my eye that lets me read such things.

Unless you're talking about the last sentence of his first paragragh... saying that the necro can't handle glacial trail or council well is strategy?

I assumed that it was pretty self-evident considering that its basically a summoner build. I mean how much strategy is required for raising a few skeletons and amp/corpse explode every now and again?

[Pallidum]

Well now for my 2 cents: there was effort put forth which counts for something. A simple reply such as " I think your guide is incorrect" is fine. I agree it should be edited before too many new people take it to heart.

Flaming to the degree that some have is not needed or called for here. I guess it's time for me to get flamed lol.
*runs off to grab fire extinguisher* :)

Yeah I agree totally.

[tl998]

Maybe I should've been a little less critical of his 'guide' but I am seriously sick of some people's description of 'poor.' It just ticks me off, their ELITISM. Think about it. If they're saying "Arm of King Leoric" and "Bramble" is poor-man's gear, then what are they implying about people who don't have even that? They're insulting those actual poor players indirectly! If any of you has ever played Fallout2, then you'll understand what I mean when I felt like I was reading something written by a Vault City citizen who has never been to the outside when I read what Fuxor posted.

Pallidum: You know as well as I do that there is more strategy to a skelemancer than that. The necros who only use AMP are definitely not the experienced necros (who would actually use attract, confuse, dim vision, etc)

I wonder if Fuxor will ever come back to defend himself, or if we scared him away hehe.

[sir goatscelot]

I guess patience is at a premium today lol. Everyone has an off day so this forum deserves one too :)

On a serious note though, Fuxor I hope your feelings are not hurt and that you still help us out when you feel the need :)

We will set you straight if you are wrong ;)

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

I guess patience is at a premium today lol. Everyone has an off day so this forum deserves one too :)

On a serious note though, Fuxor I hope your feelings are not hurt and that you still help us out when you feel the need :)

We will set you straight if you are wrong ;)

Like I said a few times, I agreed with his build as a whole. But when making a beginners mf guide...you must think like someone that don't have all the med-level equipment that he suggested.

It wasn't until he started with the B---h garbage, that I did began to be alittle harsh.If someone can't take comments, then tell everyone that this is my guide and I can't handle anyone suggesting or being critical of it.

HoS

[tl998]

Skulls, do you know Souls?

[FattyMcGee]

Skulls, do you know Souls?


They're secret lovers

[Mad Mantis]

Whenever I read poor I have to think of my untwinked unrushed Meleemancer. My hope is that one day, if I am very fortunate I can find an Angelic Halo, Angeling Wings and a Shael.



HoS, you got your account back! How come?


Beer anyone? :drink:

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

Whenever I read poor I have to think of my untwinked unrushed Meleemancer. My hope is that one day, if I am very fortunate I can find an Angelic Halo, Angeling Wings and a Shael.



HoS, you got your account back! How come?


Beer anyone? :drink:

Well MM, I was told about my ignorance in a different thread...and if you have a Soul(then guess you can only be part time ignorant). So...I did finally figured out what to do(and had a new pw sent)

Now I'm back to HoSv1(and while I'm Souless now)...I can be TOTALLY IGNORANT. :drink:

HoSv1

[Mad Mantis]

Now I'm back to HoSv1(and while I'm Souless now)...I can be TOTALLY IGNORANT. :drink:

I'll drink to that. Let's kill as many brain cells as possible. :drink: :drink: :drink:

[FattyMcGee]

let's all drink together!

:buddies: :buddies:

oh sh*t! girlfriend's back... hide the beers!!!

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

let's all drink together!

:buddies: :buddies:

oh sh*t! girlfriend's back... hide the beers!!!


the g/f is like those girl scouts....damn dem both

:drink: :drink:

HoSv1

[TheKbob]

Me wants a real beer...

:buddies: :drink: :buddies:

Damn you fake gifs!!!!111!! 1 you get my hopes up and crushed them!

~Kbob






:innocent:

[Fux0r]

drink up fellas :drink:



Oh and since this is my second week on 1.10 bnet and I'm making my first mfer, let me go grab out my ethereal DOOM giant thresher and tal's andy's visage and Bramble armor TO PUT ON MY MERCENARY!


Honestly fuxor, It's nice of you to try to make a guide, but what poor man has all that crap to put on his mercenary? May I ask you, what is the RICH man's mercenary's gear???


You need to relable your guide, or your thread, or change all your gear, or something. It's all very misleading.

--fatty (recovering from Girl Scout cookies :buddies: )

I really wish that if your going to comment you would read the entire guide. The build doesnt depend on Godly items such as doom bramble ; those are suggestions for the build after you finds some good stuff. The Items suggested for the original "poor, middle class, or whatever" are BONEHEW AMN HEL or HAWWINS and SHAFT or HIGHEST DEF ARMOR.

Also if you can tell me how to link a guide to a guide i would be more then happy to do it. This guide is really intended as a part of a bigger more comprehensive guide.

[tl998]

Wait, so Skulls = Souls?

[jmprockstar]

I really wish that if your going to comment you would read the entire guide. The build doesnt depend on Godly items such as doom bramble ; those are suggestions for the build after you finds some good stuff. The Items suggested for the original "poor, middle class, or whatever" are BONEHEW AMN HEL or HAWWINS and SHAFT or HIGHEST DEF ARMOR.
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This strikes me as a little more than dismissive of the more constructive criticism that came before. I wasn't able to get a Bonehew for quite some time, and I got it by MFing with a similar setup that I mentioned before. Also, Hel runes, while not the most expensive, are still not cheap. The Shaftstop recommendation seems a little off, too. I got one early in 1.10 from NM Andariel (first kill), but that is a little lucky and probably not the most recommended way to get one. What about the alternative gear I mentioned? Couldn't those be incorporated? In fact, what you could do is create a scale from poorest of the poor to richest of the poor, starting with Rings of Luck to Wealth to Skullder's to Shako. That way, the aforementioned untwinked character wishing for Angelic Set items will have as much to gain from your guide as the rest of the MF world.

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Also if you can tell me how to link a guide to a guide i would be more then happy to do it. This guide is really intended as a part of a bigger more comprehensive guide.
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Go to the post you wish to link and copy its hyperlink. Then paste it in the post you are currently typing. You could also use the Insert Hyperlink option (the globe&chain under the [Size] table), but that might be unnecessarily complicated.

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

I really wish that if your going to comment you would read the entire guide. The build doesnt depend on Godly items such as doom bramble ; those are suggestions for the build after you finds some good stuff. The Items suggested for the original "poor, middle class, or whatever" are BONEHEW AMN HEL or HAWWINS and SHAFT or HIGHEST DEF ARMOR.

Also if you can tell me how to link a guide to a guide i would be more then happy to do it. This guide is really intended as a part of a bigger more comprehensive guide.


Helmet: One with skill adds and MF is ideal (i.e. Tarnems or Shako)
Ammy 1: anything with Summon Skills and/or MF (skills take priority over MF here)
Ammy 2: Teleport Charges
Weapon: Arm of King Leoric
Armor: Skin of the Vipermagi, Que-hans Wisdom, or Skulders Ire
Shield: Rhyme, Lidless Wall, or Homunculus
Gloves: Magefists, Frostburns, or Chance Guard
Rings: Nagel Ring Rings
Belt: Goldwrap
Boots: A pair with MF, Cow Kings, or Travelers are great


Tell me again...how a "poor man"" can afford these items? Considering(with exception of nagel ring rings) that most of these will most likely be found in nm anyway.

HoSv1

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

Wait, so Skulls = Souls?

Yes

HoSv1

[FattyMcGee]

I really wish that if your going to comment you would read the entire guide.


I did read your entire guide. multiple times, in fact, to ensure I covered every section. Of course, the strategies section still eludes me...

This post, in case you forgot, is entitled "the poor man's mfer." Why you would even CONSIDER listing the absolute best of the best runeworded items (for a merc rather than player no less) in this guide is beyond me, even if it is for a more advanced setup. I read your whole guide, and if you would read my whole responses you would see that I said:


Even in his "budget" section, he lists off Skin of vipermagi, arm of king leoric, shako, homunc, etc. How are these items ones for people who have "not much" in terms of gear??

you would also have noted that I said:


The thing is, his guide is misleading and lacking in so much. He doesn't even give mf suggestions, level suggestions, equipment combo suggestions, in-game tactic suggestions, and is vague with stat distributions. This is not a guide. This is an attempt at one, and although it may have been made with sincerity, it falls short of what it needs to be in order to achieve the "guide" description.

You may argue with me all you want, but if you're serious about your guide, you will have to include these things to have it help others.

--fatty

[zzLen_Mastazz]

Rings: SOJ + Natures Peace

Nature's Peace
Required Level: 69
Slain Monsters Rest In Peace*
Prevent Monster Heal
Poison Resist +20-30% (varies)
Damage Reduced by 7-11 (varies)
Level 5 Oak Sage (27 charges)
(Ladder Only)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Nature's Peace: "Slain Monsters Rest in Peace" means that the bodies can't be resurrected or they can't be used to raise skeletons (Necromancer). They can't be used for Corpse Explosion either. It will work only if you kill the enemy with a physical damage and not magical damage.

Why in the world would you want that on a skellimancer? :grrr:

[jmprockstar]

I think the monsters must be slain by the Necromancer himself and not the minions for the monsters to rest in peace. That would count the corpses from Corpse Explosion, however, which are still quite a few, perhaps enough to make wearing the ring all the time not worth it. The Oak Sage is the big reason to use the ring, but I would put it in the inventory and use a different ring, like a Ravenfrost if the CBF mod isn't anywhere else on one's equipment.

Or does that not work? If you use a charge, you don't have to keep the item with the charge equipped, right?

Anyway, it has become thoroughly obvious that Fux0r suffers from an incurable bias towards wealthy players. His "let them eat cake" attitude is hopeless. Can't afford Doom runeword? Well, then, get a Bonehew!

With what? My Vidala's Bow? What if I throw in a Tir rune? Okay, okay, the Vidala's Bow, the Tir rune, my Silver Ring, and--because I'm a nice guy--my Stalwart Charm... :bonk:

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

I think the monsters must be slain by the Necromancer himself and not the minions for the monsters to rest in peace. That would count the corpses from Corpse Explosion, however, which are still quite a few, perhaps enough to make wearing the ring all the time not worth it. The Oak Sage is the big reason to use the ring, but I would put it in the inventory and use a different ring, like a Ravenfrost if the CBF mod isn't anywhere else on one's equipment.

Or does that not work? If you use a charge, you don't have to keep the item with the charge equipped, right?

Anyway, it has become thoroughly obvious that Fux0r suffers from an incurable bias towards wealthy players. His "let them eat cake" attitude is hopeless. Can't afford Doom runeword? Well, then, get a Bonehew!

With what? My Vidala's Bow? What if I throw in a Tir rune? Okay, okay, the Vidala's Bow, the Tir rune, my Silver Ring, and--because I'm a nice guy--my Stalwart Charm... :bonk:


At least in this one he didn't a major weenier-dude-attitude...and proclaim that his math and formula for his answers are totally correct(like he proclaimed in the Druid forum with Kirsty) with his "Own all with a Windy Druid guide.

The funny thing about that, is that for as long as I've been to the forums...I don't ever recall Kirsty being wrong with her math very often. And she is one of the nicest and most helpful people on any forum.

HoSv1

[tl998]

*smiles nicely* Alright HoS. I think we've berated Fuxor enough. Maybe he has learned his lesson by now. To go any further would just be immature.

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

*smiles nicely* Alright HoS. I think we've berated Fuxor enough. Maybe he has learned his lesson by now. To go any further would just be immature.

Actually, it would be Totally Ignorant (Hey..that's me...so I've been told)

:drink: :drink: :buddies:

HoSv1

[Fux0r]

Nature's Peace
Required Level: 69
Slain Monsters Rest In Peace*
Prevent Monster Heal
Poison Resist +20-30% (varies)
Damage Reduced by 7-11 (varies)
Level 5 Oak Sage (27 charges)
(Ladder Only)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Nature's Peace: "Slain Monsters Rest in Peace" means that the bodies can't be resurrected or they can't be used to raise skeletons (Necromancer). They can't be used for Corpse Explosion either. It will work only if you kill the enemy with a physical damage and not magical damage.

Why in the world would you want that on a skellimancer? :grrr:

Its the ring i wore on my skelemancer once I could afford it. the only way the ring mods work is if you use a bone spell on the enemies. i thought i said that in the guide.

As far as the druid forum, I like some of the things kristy has said, and thought about putting them in the druid guide. Im not saying that the math is wrong. I am saying that although it sounds theoretically correct it doesn't pratically work. Mabey its a bug or something, but with the tests I did the cold absorb, resist stacking, and cyc armor didn't work against blizzard. I failed to mention that some of the gear was tested with FO as well under the same conditions. Lighter amounts of cold absorb gear (compared to the full list of gear tested against blizzard,) and no resist stacking did heal. Mabey there was an unaccounted variable or two with the blizzard testing, but I strongly doubt it. I was pretty carefully in doing this.

Anyways, when I have more free time I will try to get around to revising and linking the guides together. In respect to the other 2 guides this one is refered to as a middle class MF, mabey I should include 3 seperate lists of items for this guide. The two already mentioned and mabey one with items like a topaz armor, helm, ect.. list?

[jmprockstar]

Its the ring i wore on my skelemancer once I could afford it. the only way the ring mods work is if you use a bone spell on the enemies. i thought i said that in the guide.

As far as the druid forum, I like some of the things kristy has said, and thought about putting them in the druid guide. Im not saying that the math is wrong. I am saying that although it sounds theoretically correct it doesn't pratically work. Mabey its a bug or something, but with the tests I did the cold absorb, resist stacking, and cyc armor didn't work against blizzard. I failed to mention that some of the gear was tested with FO as well under the same conditions. Lighter amounts of cold absorb gear (compared to the full list of gear tested against blizzard,) and no resist stacking did heal. Mabey there was an unaccounted variable or two with the blizzard testing, but I strongly doubt it. I was pretty carefully in doing this.

Anyways, when I have more free time I will try to get around to revising and linking the guides together. In respect to the other 2 guides this one is refered to as a middle class MF, mabey I should include 3 seperate lists of items for this guide. The two already mentioned and mabey one with items like a topaz armor, helm, ect.. list?

HoS:

Oh, man, I remember that thread. :shudder:

The Druid forum is weird. I usually just read the posts there, trying to find pvm advice among the same three or four threads about pvp wind druids (one of which is always about how wind druids get smacked around by bonemancers) and that one thread about how fire druids 5u><><0r. I have nothing to say about those topics, since I dislike pvp.

Anyway...

Fux0r: Sounds great. Perhaps a table, with equipment on the verticle axis and wealth on the horizontal? Three or four categories of wealth would probably be good. You're over half way there with what you originally wrote.

Good work! :thumbsup:

[Aerath]

For really low end gear, things like

Arctic Gloves + Belt (40% MF) or
Tancred's Weird + (Boots ?) = 79% MF

seem more practical. Those (apart from the weird, I suppose) actually are fairly low level stuff that still might prove useful for lack of any decent kit.