The Rev. Lovely's 10 Forum Commandments. [Archive]

LovelyGods

04-03-2004, 00:02

Since rag left, and the whole forum is in horrible shape im gonna list some of the things not to do..

These arn't ment to be offensive to anyone, in any way , shape or form. These are just suggestions to keep in mind before you post questions or responses.

Im gonna write the first five you guys finish em up...

1. Thou shall not post questions in which thy answers are clearly written in the FAQ.

2. Thou shall not post off topic threads that have nothing to do with diablo II or the paladin. This is what P msg is for, msg ur friends.

3. Thou shall not post any more questions about a hammerdin, there is already 2 guides for them and 100 posts a day about them. :surprise: There are other paladin builds you know.

4. Thou shall not make dumb posts out of ignorance when the answers are already written in a similar post, that was made that morning.

5. Thou shall not post obvious questions( ie. Stats, skills, gear) reguarding how to make a specific build that sombody already wrote a guide for. R.E.A.D.

Ok its your turn, You finish off the next 5.

Diminished-Soul

04-03-2004, 00:08

Rofl GG

Rules 6-10 Time to PARTY! :flip:

memememe173

04-03-2004, 00:24

6. Thou shall use the search function

7. Thou shall talk in a polite, easy to understand manner, using proper sentences.

8. Thou shall have no avatars of people throwing up or do other unpleasent things.

9. Thou shall not flame, troll, or descriminate.

10. Thou shall post legitemate questions, without fear, that are not answered in the stickies.

amishamigo

04-03-2004, 00:24

Rofl GG

Rules 6-10 Time to PARTY! :flip:

Thou shalt not make stupid posts like the quoted one. Make them sensable people ~.~

Thou shalt USE THE MOTHER EFFIN SEARCH FUNCTION TO LOOK FOR THREADS PERTAINING TO AND OR MATCHING YOUR EFFIN QUESTIONS... I'm not angry.

Thou shalt avoid starting flame wars and fanning the fires. IT GETS OLD PEOPLE, TAKE IT TO PM!

The other two are all you guys.

kryo

04-03-2004, 01:14

Put this one in there somewhere... or we can just make it 15 commandments ;)

Thou shalt not post stupid questions whose answers are recorded in triplicate on the Arreat Summit... it's the freakin' official D2 site, so use it for crying out loud!

Mack

04-03-2004, 01:36

How about, thou shalt not try to enforce things that will never happen. Like, having people actually use the search feature or read all the FAQS first. Not going to happen, never has, never will. The best you can do if you don't want to answer someones question is either a) don't reply with anything, or b) Point them to the FAQs and/or search, or a specific post.

Because right now every question has been asked at some point in time. If we assume that nobody should ask a question that's already been asked, than we can all just pack our bags, there will be no new questions to answer.

The search doesn't work that well. If you need an answer it's far easier to ask and see if someone responds than trying to go through a bunch of different posts looking for that one specific answer.

Not everyone knows what the Arreat Summit is either. Nor is it always correct.

We were all noobs at some point, remember that.

Diminished-Soul

04-03-2004, 01:41

Thou shalt not make stupid posts like the quoted one. Make them sensable people ~.~

Thou shalt USE THE MOTHER EFFIN SEARCH FUNCTION TO LOOK FOR THREADS PERTAINING TO AND OR MATCHING YOUR EFFIN QUESTIONS... I'm not angry.

Thou shalt avoid starting flame wars and fanning the fires. IT GETS OLD PEOPLE, TAKE IT TO PM!

The other two are all you guys.

Starting flame wars eh?

Looks like you are trying to start one. NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON UR POST THAT IS QUOTED.

Anywayz, Yes I agree with Mack. He is right, no one will ever use the search features and stuff because either they are new or just lazy.

memememe173

04-03-2004, 02:04

Diminished-Soul

04-03-2004, 02:15

And I guess your busy dreaming about your future//lottery//opposite sex well we have more sensible dreams

Um, what is wrong with dreaming about that? Those are more iportant than a game.

WvX_leader

04-03-2004, 02:18

1) Thou shalt not commit flame
2) Thou shalt not steal questions
3) Thou shal obey your moderators
4) Thou shal post in a positive manner. If another manner is chosen - Though shal go to hell.
5) Thou shal read the rest of the commandments
6) Thou shalt not discriminate someone who is different from you
7) Thou shal stay on topic. If you like Off Topic threads, stay in the Druid forums
8) Thou shal use all manners your mothers taught you
9) Thou shal use the search function before making a question related thread
10) Thou shal follow the above rules, or risk bannishment from the paladin kingdom

Farnham_the_Drunk

04-03-2004, 03:05

The first commandment God gave unto the people and it said "Thou shalt not use the word Hammerdin in vain.... no wait... PERIOD"

Chances are (a 99.99999% chance infact) if you have a question about a hammerdin you haven't played one prior to this patch. Ofcourse if you haven't played before this patch.. Welcome to my world :evil:

It's laid out pretty simple people.. it can't get much easier than what's in the guide. The ONLY exception would be dueling strategies. Anything PvM.. well I hope a spike fiend kills you :innocent: (in a nice kindly way that is)

memememe173

04-03-2004, 03:13

Um, what is wrong with dreaming about that? Those are more iportant than a game.
Apparently the art of sarcasm is lost on you or you are being just overly sarcastic in return either way :yawn:

Any1

04-03-2004, 03:15

Sometimes I think PoopyPants had the right idea with: "wtf are you talking about crack head?". It gets you banned for three days, but it does send a certain message to the people who either can't verbalize the simplest of ideas, or are completely unwilling to do any foot-work of their own.

People who are smart and considerate enough to read and research, don't need the rules. The people who are not, aren't going to pay attention to them.

You can summerize all the suggested commandments into one:

Thou shalt pull both thumbs out of your rectum before posting on this board.

Apologetix

04-03-2004, 05:21

any1: in the thread where poopy said that the original poster did not fail to communicate at all.. in fact i understood every word of it.

and people will always look for an easier way to do things. a lot of the times the guides dont cover everything and people have specific questions. if you have such a big problem dont reply in those threads or maybe try and be helpful instead of just shouting "read on your own" because not only are you wasting your time, but infinitely worse, you are wasting someone elses time.

lets not be so overly dramatic about something that should not be such a huge issue. live and let live.

amishamigo

04-03-2004, 05:50

Starting flame wars eh?

Looks like you are trying to start one. NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON UR POST THAT IS QUOTED.

Anywayz, Yes I agree with Mack. He is right, no one will ever use the search features and stuff because either they are new or just lazy.

OMG N00B!! GTFO

Actually you have a point there, on both lines :p

Farnham, hammerdins were very very very rare before the patch because they hardly did a thing with their hammers (what was the hammerdin's best damage prepatch... 400 tops?)

Diminished-Soul

04-03-2004, 06:26

OMG N00B!! GTFO

Actually you have a point there, on both lines :p

Farnham, hammerdins were very very very rare before the patch because they hardly did a thing with their hammers (what was the hammerdin's best damage prepatch... 400 tops?)

Uh like 2-3.5k hammers

Ash Housewares

04-03-2004, 06:36

Thou shalt make me a sandwich

Suryl

04-03-2004, 07:35

Since rag left, and the whole forum is in horrible shape im gonna list some of the things not to do..

The problems in this forum are not due to new people, they are due mainly to a few "veterans" who seem to believe that its ok to flame those that they deem deserving.

NO ONE no matter what they post may be flamed. Someone could come here and post "Paladins are the worst characters ever" and you MAY NOT flame them. You may report them for trolling, but you MAY NOT point out their ignorance to them by calling them stupid or any other name.

As some pointed out in this thread, if you don't like the question, just don't answer it or point them to where it is answered.

Sometimes I think PoopyPants had the right idea with: "wtf are you talking about crack head?". It gets you banned for three days, but it does send a certain message to the people who either can't verbalize the simplest of ideas, or are completely unwilling to do any foot-work of their own.

Correction, it got him banned for 3 days this time. It will get him banned permanently next time. And any of you will be banned permanently for posting it. So if it gets your point across, you won't be here to see the results. IMHO hardly worth it.

And let's discuss what point was that? Often people read into posts instead of reading what is right there. Wait a few days and reread the initial post that you feel deserved such a response. It was clear. If someone else thought it wasn't they could have asked him to be more clear as to what he/she was asking. Instead he got flamed and of course his responses to that would be less clear. Make someone feel unwelcome and see if that doesn't make them try harder. (that was sarcasm :D )

You can summerize all the suggested commandments into one:

Thou shalt pull both thumbs out of your rectum before posting on this board.

Rofl GG

Rules 6-10 Time to PARTY! :flip:

And I guess your busy dreaming about your future//lottery//opposite sex well we have more sensible dreams

And you think your forum problems are due to people posting questions? I think your problems are more likely caused by these kinds of attitudes. When someone new to the forums sees others posting these things, why shouldn't they have the same attitude? Each thread I've looked at that had flaming in it, had a long term member if not instigating it, then at the very least fanning the flames. You set the tone for your forum. You've simply failed to set a good tone lately. I know you will do better, you play paladins after all. :D

Thou shalt make me a sandwich

It would be a horseradish and jelly sandwich. I'm sure you'll find it delicious. BTW, Dawn of the Dead. 'nuff said

Arctic_Fox

04-03-2004, 18:37

Uh like 2-3.5k hammers

Yea, thats about right. I had a .09 Hammerdin with almost everything perfect, and had damage in that range. With only 3 skill points from 1.10, i boosted his damage over 1.5K. It was sickening.

While vets may get a feeling of superiority, it is wrong to place the burden on their shoulders entirely. Compare these forums to a press conference, and us members to journalists. Journalists don't go asking the same question again, after it's just been asked. If a juornalist missed a question, or was away and just entered, he would try and catch up on what he had lost, not go beating the burned bushes. Of course it's unrealistic for have newcomers read every post in the land, but surely they have some inteligence. It is their responsibility to seek the answers they want. In life you can't keep asking others to do your work. Granted sometimes you need to ask, and by all means, do so - but it's wrong to throw foo at the vets for the unwillingness of those newcomers

Thou shaltdo your bit for Dii.net society, which includeth reading previous posts, writing replies and posts for the greater good of everyone, and arithmatic .. i dunno.. i needed the 3 R's of school so last one got thrown in.

:worship: Paladins :worship: .

Any1

04-03-2004, 19:16

Correction, it got him banned for 3 days this time.

That is exactly what I said in my post. What are you correcting?

And you think your forum problems are due to people posting questions? I think your problems are more likely caused by these kinds of attitudes. When someone new to the forums sees others posting these things, why shouldn't they have the same attitude? Each thread I've looked at that had flaming in it, had a long term member if not instigating it, then at the very least fanning the flames. You set the tone for your forum. You've simply failed to set a good tone lately. I know you will do better, you play paladins after all. :D

You're wrong. This thread was an example of people venting, which doesn't happen too often BTW. I can only speak for myself, 95% of all my responses are meant to be helpful to the poster. However, people come in and ask a question when on the front page of the board there are two other threads with the exact same topic. People come in with no idea what a FAQ or Arreat Summit is. The same person that PoopyPants flamed and got banned for it (I think even he would agree that his response was way over-the-top and the ban was justified), claimed that he knew that HoZ was upgradable, but wanted to know if it was going to end up being a Zakarum Shield. Now, what kind of insane question is that? The meaning of upgrading a Gilded Shield is that it will become a Zakarum Shield. When faced with this kind of complete lapse in logic, a little "attitude" is well deserved. If that results in me getting banned, so be it.

Suryl

04-03-2004, 21:45

That is exactly what I said in my post. What are you correcting?

The correction is the belief that it will always result in a 3 day ban (read the sentences that followed that one). I do not want people to think that it's worth it to post a flame and accept a 3 day ban and then be surprised when the ban is permanent.

You're wrong. This thread was an example of people venting, which doesn't happen too often BTW. I can only speak for myself, 95% of all my responses are meant to be helpful to the poster. However, people come in and ask a question when on the front page of the board there are two other threads with the exact same topic. People come in with no idea what a FAQ or Arreat Summit is. The same person that PoopyPants flamed and got banned for it (I think even he would agree that his response was way over-the-top and the ban was justified), claimed that he knew that HoZ was upgradable, but wanted to know if it was going to end up being a Zakarum Shield. Now, what kind of insane question is that? The meaning of upgrading a Gilded Shield is that it will become a Zakarum Shield. When faced with this kind of complete lapse in logic, a little "attitude" is well deserved. If that results in me getting banned, so be it.

I'm female, we're never wrong. :D

It doesn't matter if you are upset and feel the need to vent. You don't get to flame. No debate. No justification. Not allowed. No matter what the other person does or how upset you are, you may NEVER flame.

Sometimes you just have to let it go. Not everyone will read the faq. I can't even get people to read the rules, even when I tell them they will be banned for violating them, some people won't read them. So do you think flaming will make people read the faq? I'm not saying that you personally are flaming, I'm asking that in flaming by any member will not make new people read the faq. It will only deteriorate your forum, in which you have invested yourself. The new people won't care and have lost nothing.

As for that post, it's only a complete lapse of logic if you assume that he knows a gilded shield becomes a zakarum shield. That after all, was the question. He never said that he knew that any gilded shields became zakaurm shields, he thought so but wanted someone to verify it. Hardly an insane question. Before you upgrade an item, wouldn't you like to make sure that you'll still have the strength and dexterity to equip it? And that was my point. You read into the question instead of reading the question. A mistake that we all make.

Arctic_Fox

04-03-2004, 22:48

I'm female, we're never wrong. :D

Heaven help us all, lads. I smell revolution in the air.

Suryl, reading into or plain reading doesn't change the fact that many posters are too L-a-z-y to do it themselves. The information is avaliable, and one cannot expect others to do all the work for you. Sometimes in life you gotta tie your own shoes. Flaming for the sake of roasting is wrong, but a stern repremand and reminder of the avaliable resources is needed from time to time to maintain semblance of order. Many, many, many questions can be viewed repetedly on the same page, and this is unecessary and preventable. When resources are avaliable and free to access, you can't play the Stupidity Card and say you didn't know about it. When you loa, and reload Diabloii.net, on the main page along the left hand side are categories you can browse. You would have likely read them before you scroll down and find the individual forum links. In reality there is no way in gods green earth I could pass off responsibility for a automobile accident to autopack by saying i never knew about road smarts or safety. Nooberdum is its own worth enemy, and some of us frusterated 'vets' are caught in the crossfire between mods with sticks, and newcomers with impunity.

You can't expect others to tie your shoes for the rest of your life, so learn how to do it yourself. Tie em, get up, and go for a walk. :creep: :creep:

Any1

04-03-2004, 23:29

I'm female, we're never wrong. :D

Say no more. (That also explains the lime color...which is lovely BTW, really)

I'm not justifying what PoopyPants said. I'm also not objecting to the banning. (as I said before, even PoopyPants will probably agree with the consequences) I'm objecting to your assessment, that the problems on this forum are somehow instigated and encouraged by the regulars.

There is nothing wrong with the regulars getting together in a thread and commiserating on the "state" of things. As there is nothing wrong with a stern warning every now and again. As Arctic_Fox so eloquently put it, there has to be some sort of pressure on the novices to encourage them into doing some research before posting. What you may see as a newcomer-hostile atmosphere, I see as an environment that encourages a little foot work.

Mack

05-03-2004, 02:18

"there has to be some sort of pressure on the novices to encourage them into doing some research before posting"

True to a point. For those that don't know any better, they need to know that the options are out there. But it never justifies flaming someone. The easy thing to do if you have the desire to help is something like, give them a link to the FAQ, give them a general idea where to find the info and also give them a basic answer to the question.

this way they'll have a basic answer to go from, and know the FAQ exists, and an idea where in the FAQ they can get more info.

I also think that when RAG added links to the faqs and guides in his sig it was a great help because a new person could see those while he's looking through stuff.

"There is nothing wrong with the regulars getting together in a thread and commiserating on the "state" of things."

Yeah, that's fine as long as it's all kept civil.

alexisonfire

05-03-2004, 02:55

just what kind of a message board would it be without questions? stupid or not. if everyone knew eerything or knew where to find it...we wouldnt all be here..

Any1

05-03-2004, 03:11

just what kind of a message board would it be without questions? stupid or not. if everyone knew eerything or knew where to find it...we wouldnt all be here..

Oh God!...All I'm saying is spend 5 minutes looking around before posting. Look at the threads on the first few pages. Look at the FAQ. Use the "search" function. Act like a sentient human being!

Why do I have to keep explaining myself on this?! :grrr:

Arctic_Fox

05-03-2004, 03:53

Oh God!...All I'm saying is spend 5 minutes looking around before posting. Look at the threads on the first few pages. Look at the FAQ. Use the "search" function. Act like a sentient human being!

Why do I have to keep explaining myself on this?! :grrr:

I'm afraid so Any1. After all, if there was a decree issued that would involve some sence of personal investigation, it might scare all the newcomers away. "GiMM3 Fr33 ItamZ".. or in this case.. FR33 Inf0.

I dare say 90% of the newcomers questions could be answered themselves if they would only look, or hell - post a topic and ask where to look. I wouldn't mind giving them that kind of like cause they are making a conscious effort to "de-noobify" themselves.

alexisonfire: Think of this slight alteration to your question: "just what kind of a message board would it be without questions? stupid or not" to --> "just what kind of a message board would it be without stupid questions?". We would be making more useful discussion and wasting less bandwidth with threads that weren't thought out or researched. I'm not saying don't ask any questions, by no means would i say that, but you and everyone else here has a brain. If ya don't want to use it, sell it. It's like alcohol consuption and driving. PLEASE PLAY & INTERACT RESPONSIBLY

Courting stupidity only yields more.

Diminished-Soul

05-03-2004, 05:19

Yea, thats about right. I had a .09 Hammerdin with almost everything perfect, and had damage in that range. With only 3 skill points from 1.10, i boosted his damage over 1.5K. It was sickening.

Well, I sorta know about the hammerdins before patch because I used to duel with ppl in Temple that used to once post here.

Jill and Shaun who were really good .09 hammerdin/mages IMO or perhaps the Best on West.

memememe173

05-03-2004, 05:23

Courting stupidity only yields more.

In the begining there was Stupidity and it begat Stupidity and Stupidity begat Stupidity until the world was covered by Stupidity but one man stepped forward to combat this Stupidity and it was....

Cod

05-03-2004, 05:25

i only have like 15 posts. am i an idiot?

just curious, you know, trying to figure out what to expect regarding elitism and such.

Diminished-Soul

05-03-2004, 05:31

i only have like 15 posts. am i an idiot?

just curious, you know, trying to figure out what to expect regarding elitism and such.

No you are not at all. Even with just 15 posts doesn't mean you are. POSTS DO NOT MATTER! Because, who knows you could know a lot about this game and just finally decided to join or something. We are just saying that if you can, plz do some foot work before asking basically obvious questions.

In other news:

Rofl, poor Brian his whole thread has turned Major O/T.

I think it needs to be CLOSED! Or I will end up getting myself banned for some of the replys that are being said.

Cod

05-03-2004, 05:32

Because, who knows you could know a lot about this game and just finally decided to join or something.

rock on, you've got me figured out. :yep:

Diminished-Soul

05-03-2004, 05:35

Haha ya...

I have browsed these forums for a long time...

At least 2 years that I remember I am sure maybe 1 more at least...

I finally just started posting and met some great new people.

Arctic_Fox

05-03-2004, 05:59

I'll second Deminished-Soul, post count is irrelavent. Quality over quantity. Someone could have over 1K posts and act like an idiot.

Most people aren't idiots, people act like idiots from time to time though, some more frequently than others.

Ash Housewares

05-03-2004, 06:06

post count doesn't matter and I hope it never does, from my experience it's more of a spectacle than anything else

memememe173

05-03-2004, 06:14

post count doesn't matter and I hope it never does, from my experience it's more of a spectacle than anything else
Wonder if he'll being saying that if he resests to 1 at 10,000 and no one has to take him seriously

Diminished-Soul

05-03-2004, 06:32

Nevar! Ash is TOO STRONG and will have my support 110%!

That would kinda suck tho...

Suryl

05-03-2004, 06:34

Heaven help us all, lads. I smell revolution in the air.

:D Be afraid. Be very afraid. :D

Flaming for the sake of roasting is wrong, but a stern repremand and reminder of the avaliable resources is needed from time to time to maintain semblance of order.

This is why I've continued to respond in this thread and have kept it open. I am trying to get across the point that you may not give a stern repremand. TWhether they deserve it or not....or to paraphrase Zappa "Even if god himself reached down and stamped idiot on their forward you may not call them an idiot."

If someone makes a thread called "What skills do I use for a hammerdin?" you don't get to go into that thread and yell at them.

Say no more. (That also explains the lime color...which is lovely BTW, really)

I stole ....er borrowed it from another female forum member.

There is nothing wrong with the regulars getting together in a thread and commiserating on the "state" of things. As there is nothing wrong with a stern warning every now and again. As Arctic_Fox so eloquently put it, there has to be some sort of pressure on the novices to encourage them into doing some research before posting. What you may see as a newcomer-hostile atmosphere, I see as an environment that encourages a little foot work.

There is nothing wrong with commiserating in a thread as long as its not at the expense of someone else.

And yes once again, there is something wrong with a stern warning. That is a job for mods/admins not for the members. What may start as well intentioned warnings usually snowballs into flaming.

--------------------

So what should you do?

Someone posts a question that is answered in the faq. You may:

Ignore the thread
Give them the answer (although introducing them to the faq at the same time would be nice)
Post saying that the answer is in the faq (including or not a link to the faq)
Explain they can use the search function (may also want to say where it is)

You may not:

post "I hate when noobs dont read the faq"
post any other insult
post how the forums are going downhill

As much as you are frustrated that people won't read the faq, I am frustrated that people won't read the rules (http://www.rpgforums.net/rules/) (especially rule #1) to which there are no exceptions.

SommerSky

05-03-2004, 07:24

Hi all, this is my first post on the Paladin forum, yeah!! :P *throws candy at everyone*

Now, I'd like to make a post and tell you how I feel about the Paladin Forum. I tend to agree with Suryl and Mack. I feel that the Paladin forum members are nice people, but you guys are only nice to people you already know and are buddies with.

I've seen quite a few new visitors getting shut up and pushed back to where they came from. Basically, taking up an attitude like "if you can't find your stupid answers somewhere in the FAQ, then don't ask cos we can't be bothered to answer your stupid questions!" isn't the best thing to do. Try to imagine yourself being a newbie and is desperate to find out an answer to the question that's extremely important to your d2 gaming experience. You find this cool Paladin Forum here and decides to ask these really experienced people for help, then you get your question thrown back at your face...:( If this newbie is smart enough to choose to play a Paladin, then why are you not willing to give your fellow Paladiner a friendly hand??? I don't understand!

Identifying with a group of people here and having a close bond is a cool thing and I am sure it makes you feel all warm and loved in the heart. :D And I am sure that you guys can definitely be more helpful and friendly to people that are in need, whether it be a visitor or a new forum member.

If you see something that is against the forum rules, then by all means, click the "report this post" button, and a mod will try and take care of the alert, it's that easy. OK?

Just my .02. Let me know if you disagree. *throws more candy at you* :P

SS

Arctic_Fox

05-03-2004, 07:58

*gets an icepack his forehead* SommerSky, please dethaw the candy next time, or give me a heads up notice before i choose to sit in the front row.

Suryl, we Paladins are never afraid. We will unite in Prayer and Meditation, and hope that the great god of moderators will Clense(ing) your newcomer-favouring ways and Redeem(ption) your soul. We have a Zeal for our cause,.. and i think i better stop now that i've Hammered home my sarcastic fling of the day.

That aside, i really do see where you are coming from, but it is common courtesy not to bludgeon a person to death with questions just because you have the ability to. If you want to enforce the rules slightly harder, get one of those annoying open small message window box scripts :idea: ... or not.. that would be evil.

Overall, we like and want to help others, but it is folley not so accept that steriotypical questions asked sometimes back to back are enough to drive even the more patient of us.. rather balistic. Even if we may have wanted to help them, it is rather trying to tell them in a non aggressive manner that they should refer to the post right below theirs. Surely you must agree they must, and should, carry some responsibility.

Ash Housewares

05-03-2004, 08:58

*picks reese's pieces off the ground*

mmmmm

Wonder if he'll being saying that if he resests to 1 at 10,000 and no one has to take him seriously

you say it as if it's never happenned before

Any1

05-03-2004, 19:29

I've seen quite a few new visitors getting shut up and pushed back to where they came from. Basically, taking up an attitude like "if you can't find your stupid answers somewhere in the FAQ, then don't ask cos we can't be bothered to answer your stupid questions!" isn't the best thing to do. Try to imagine yourself being a newbie and is desperate to find out an answer to the question that's extremely important to your d2 gaming experience. You find this cool Paladin Forum here and decides to ask these really experienced people for help, then you get your question thrown back at your face...:( If this newbie is smart enough to choose to play a Paladin, then why are you not willing to give your fellow Paladiner a friendly hand??? I don't understand!

Let me repeat my previous post in this thread:

"...All I'm saying is spend 5 minutes looking around before posting. Look at the threads on the first few pages. Look at the FAQ. Use the "search" function. Act like a sentient human being!

You're trying to make us sound like we're some clique of seniors in a high school somewhere. We're the cool jocks and we're picking on the nerdy freshmen. Nothing could be further from the truth. All the regulars in this forum go from answering the same questions day in and day out:

"Is my Hammerdin gear any good?"

"Is this a good Zealot weapon?"

"Is this shield good for Exile?"

"This is my first Paladin, what the best build?"

"How much IAS do I need to reach max speed?" (no weapon, skill, or aura listed)

People who come seeking knowledge will gain knowledge. People who come to be "spoon fed" will also gain knowledge, but will also get their feathers a little ruffled.

Thanks for the candy.

Arctic_Fox,

Do you have an extra "icepack" for my forehead?

Mack

05-03-2004, 19:47

Let's also keep in mind that the posts that are out there don't always agree. I've seen a number of Avenger weapon questions where people will all claim something else is the best. So even in reading posts, you can't always find what you're exactly looking for.

AND many of the people here have already invested so much time in the game they totally forgot what it was like to be new. Best Weapon? Oh just get an ETH BOTD. Well jeesus man, maybe it's not that easy to get.

For any person that's visited this forum for a long time, they know about the Faqs, the search, etc. But a noob doesn't. The person that has 2 posts probably doesn't know that much about how the site should work. How can they be expected to know all these things if they just got here?

And lastly, to repeat again, if you don't like the question don't answer it, just move onto something else.

thewoodshed

05-03-2004, 22:55

"...All I'm saying is spend 5 minutes looking around before posting. Look at the threads on the first few pages. Look at the FAQ. Use the "search" function. Act like a sentient human being!?
You know, with a bit of editing this would be a good response to the people who you refer to. Something like this maybe:

Hello,

Please spend 5 minutes looking around before posting. Look at the threads on the first few pages. Look at the FAQ. Use the "search" function. This will help you find the answers you seek.

And welcome to the Pally Forum.

You're trying to make us sound like we're some clique of seniors in a high school somewhere. We're the cool jocks and we're picking on the nerdy freshmen. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Perhaps, but by giving them a "stern reprimand" are you really helping them? maybe they have never heard of a FAQ? Maybe they didn't notice the search function. There is no harm pointing them in the right direction like you are saying, but do so in a polite way. It is not the functionality of the forum members to even be "stern" with the other forum members. That is the Mods and Admins function.

All the regulars in this forum go from answering the same questions day in and day out:

"Is my Hammerdin gear any good?"

"Is this a good Zealot weapon?"

"Is this shield good for Exile?"

"This is my first Paladin, what the best build?"

"How much IAS do I need to reach max speed?" (no weapon, skill, or aura listed)

As a regular on USETF, do you have any idea how many times a day I get asked about the value of an item that I have already posted in the Trade Values Thread stickied at the top of the forum? I just point them to the thread. An old saying applies here "Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will eat forever." Well, you aren't giving him a fish, but the thing is you is you aren't teaching him to fish either- you are just yelling at him saying "Get your own stoopid fish, here's the ocean, noob!""

How is that helpful?

People who come seeking knowledge will gain knowledge. People who come to be "spoon fed" will also gain knowledge, but will also get their feathers a little ruffled.

But, it isn't your place to ruffle their feathers, it is the mods but I think I have basically said that before ;)

'shed

Arctic_Fox

05-03-2004, 23:12

thewoodshed

05-03-2004, 23:20

thewoodshed, ever hear of "Spare the rod, spoil the child"? A child will not learn if you spoon feed them. When a child reaches for the hot element of the stove, naturally you will want to stop them and help them out, but their curiousity isn't satisfied. Sooner or later they will burn their little hand and will be the wiser from it.

Sure, I've heard it- I live by it. I have 3 kids of my own. But that isn't what you are doing. Using your anolgy, you have to teach the child it is wrong to do before you can reprimand them for doing it. And to go even further, you have to be the child's parent (or in this case a mod) in order to be able to reprimand them to begin with.

It is sheer insanity to claim that just scrolling down the first page, atleast, is too much to ask of a newcomer, or anyone.

The mods don't really ruffle feathers, unless the person is violating some strict rule.

Sure- point them in the right direction. Link them to the FAQ or the rules or whatever is approriate, but don't "ruffle their feathers. You don't have that right, and it is that plain and simple.

As far as the mods "ruffling their feathers", you must not watch the mods the same way I do. I have seen plenty of 3 day and 1 week bans handed out quite a bit since I've been here with some pretty stern warnings like "Do it again, and you loose all forum privledges."

I also know a few of these temp "bannees" that have returned and been solid contributors to these forums.

'shed

LovelyGods

06-03-2004, 00:14

Boy do i make interesting topics or what? :clap:

HEHE. anyways i agree with Suryl

What was said was totally right.

if you see a new pala posing about a hammerdin, just redirect them. Then let the post fall to the bottom of the pile.

I think im gonna make a post of Weapons of teh Paladin. Which might eventually get sticked. So we can stop those " is Famine good for charge?" threads. or " Y botd?" etc.....

As the Great Ice Cube once Said. " if you live on the west side of your town, make those other fools bow down". :worship: lol