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Prodigy
03-03-2004, 20:52
whats the frame rate for the fastest vengeance hit and how much ias is required?
Any1
03-03-2004, 20:56
The fastest Vengeance attack speed is 8 frames. How much IAS you need, depends on your weapon and aura. This calculator will help:

http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english
Prodigy
03-03-2004, 21:02
the calculator doesnt show vengeance.

and also i would like to know how conviction affects defense...
Any1
03-03-2004, 21:09
Vengeance is pretty much a "normal" attack.

Conviction lowers an enemies Defense Rating by the precentage listed:

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/paladin-offense.shtml#conviction

So if an enemy has 1,000 defense rating, a slvl 20 conviction will reduce it by 90%, to 100 (1,000 * [1 - 0.9] = 1,000 * 0.1 = 100).
Prodigy
03-03-2004, 21:12
how about a pally with 40k defense?
Any1
03-03-2004, 21:14
how about a pally with 40k defense?

Freakin' do the math you slacker. :grrr:
Prodigy
03-03-2004, 21:16
no because i tested it on my friend who had 12000 defense. and after conviction he had like 11000. with like a lvl 3 conviction...
Any1
03-03-2004, 21:26
no because i tested it on my friend who had 12000 defense. and after conviction he had like 11000. with like a lvl 3 conviction...


I don't think there is a PvP penalty for Conviction lower defense effect. A slvl 3 conviction should reduce his DR by 61% to 4680. There might be a display problem, I know one existed for the lower resistance effect.

Sorry about the "slacker" crack.
Prodigy
03-03-2004, 21:27
theres also issues with skills like cloak of shadows, which might say it "reduces defense by 30%" or whatever, but when used against high defense characters it only amounts to like 800 defense... :(
Prodigy
03-03-2004, 21:33
CoS's defense bonus is treated differently from any other defense modifier (except RibCracker's defense bonus, which is additive with CoS's bonus). Hence, it is multiplicative, not additive, with other defensive modifiers, such as Defiance and Shout.

thats from the assassin faq.
Evanta
04-03-2004, 03:06
I suspect that conviction's -def effect is at half when used in PvP, same as other -def items.

which means a high lvl conviction only basically doubles your AR, not make it x9 or something similar in PvP.
mepersoner
04-03-2004, 03:10
% Defense and -% defense are added together.

So if he was using holy shield or defiance you would add the %'s together, then multiply that times his base to find his new defense.
Rascargil
04-03-2004, 05:59
i figured as much as well
Prodigy
04-03-2004, 07:13
do you think it would be effective, if not more effective for pvp than fanaticism?