Just when I thought Bnet couldn’t get any worse....(long)

[terrymanning]

Last night I was playing my level 23 barb (soon to be an IK barb, knock on wood) trying to get him to level 25 to start Baal runs. So I joined a larger game called "act III help" or something like that. I had all of the waypoints so we rolled through the council and then killed Mephisto. As a group we all killed Izual and then went for Diablo. There was another Barbarian in the group, a guy using a two-handed axe and dealing, what looked like, good damage. As we entered the Chaos Sanctuary I started warning everyone to “watch for IM”. Well, I don’t think the other barb understood what I meant. In no time he fluxed after dropping to almost no health. He rejoined and gave me loot when he rejoined the party. Needless to say, even after me warning a couple more times, he was killed by IM. I immediately said “don’t leave I have loot”. So we cleared the area and looted his body. He had apparently given loot to other party members because all I got was his axe and his helm. He rejoins a couple of minutes later and asks for his gear. I go to Act 1 and give him his stuff.

And now the shocker (at least to me).

No one else gave him any of his gear back. The other little jerks in the game held on to his armor, ammy, gloves, boots, rings, etc. Now, maybe you are all thinking, “He had good gear and people wanted to keep it”. He asked for his gear a couple of times and then he finally said, “Can I have my breastplate back?”. A BREASTPLATE? People won’t return a breastplate?

What in God’s name is wrong with these people? How damn valuable is a breastplate that someone won’t return it? The other people in the game were all between level 23 and 26 so they probably wouldn’t even use it. If I had to guess I would say it was probably Isenhart’s Case, but we will never know because NO ONE HAD THE DECENCY TO GIVE IT BACK.

When it looked like no one else was coming to Act 1, I brought a mule in on my second PC and gave him an almost complete set of Sigons. He was stunned that I gave him the gear. Apparently from his reaction it was better (quite a bit better) than the gear he lost. It was a great feeling to help this guy out with gear that would have just set on one of my mules.

Well I can tell you now with absolute certainty I will never and I mean NEVER give anyone loot in a public game again. Why? Because I would expect my gear back. After seeing how people act over a breastplate, I would much rather send my gear to the “great bit bucket in the sky” rather than see it go to some greedy little prick that can’t even give back a breastplate.

TM

[WingBlade]

TM, I had a similar exp a while ago..

Running though WSK, playing a shockadin, pubby of course.... died... I gave 2 people loot, those two started taking my gear, leaving it on the ground and started picking items and selling them, and complaining my gear was **?>@#D .

My pally @ that time was only lvl 50, so I didn't place elite gear on him, best was a 4-soc protector shield w/ p-dias....

I learned my lesson there as well.... If u die in a pubby game, let the Bnut gods reclaim whatever items they chose to give you in the 1st place.


Wing

[ConnerMacleod]

TM: That breast plate and giant axe may have read something like this:

Gemmed Breast Plate
+45 max damage

Gemmed Giant Axe
+90 max damage

You never know. When I say breast plate I am thinking max damage armor.

Either way, if he had never set loot, the items would be lost. So, don't let people loot in pubbies unless you expect to never see your items back. You take that risk that 50% of the people will return it, the other 50% will keep it.

[terrymanning]

TM: That breast plate and giant axe may have read something like this:

Gemmed Breast Plate
+45 max damage

Gemmed Giant Axe
+90 max damage

You never know. When I say breast plate I am thinking max damage armor.

Either way, if he had never set loot, the items would be lost. So, don't let people loot in pubbies unless you expect to never see your items back. You take that risk that 50% of the people will return it, the other 50% will keep it.


The axe was Brainhew and it was a blue helmet. This guy didn't have great gear.

TM

[ZeonZaku]

All I can say is that it is really hard to get rolling in HC esspecially if you seldom play. I was lucky enough to get some good items, and I try to help people all the time.

[Chiller_babe]

Could have been a L337 breastplate like Venomward:)

Seriously though when I've played pubbies recently the population seems to have polarised even more into

1) Nice people who have nothing of any value and who constanltly get screwed over

and

2) Absolute morons who grab everything that drops, constantly whine about everything(why do they play if they dont enjoy it?), fill the screen with racist/offensive comments and expect to have everything handed to them on a platter and IMHO should have been strangled at ( or at least soon after) birth.

Needless to say the second category seem to be the most common - to the point where I spent a weeks period trying to cull the population by twinking a telenecro to the teeth and hostiling the more offensive of them. Unfortunately they also seem to have about a 80% CH rating too - which doesn't exactly improve my opinion of them!

However It is still worth playing the occasional pubby because it is nice to meet the 1 in 10 who is in category 1 - and hopefully helping put them on their feet with some decent gear and a couple of trusworthy people to play with.

So many of us have forgotten what it was to start from scratch - I don't mean gear because the ladder season briefly levelled the playing field - but I mean concept of how to build a character at all. I only say this because I recently met met someone online who had maxed Magic Arrow and Slow Missiles. I mean both skills have thier uses - but trying to go through Act 5 with nothing else was never going to be easy especially as I think they were using a Rare LongBow with about 40ed. i think they deserved a medal for surviving so far - but told em to put me on their friends list and if they wanted a hand anywhere ( not a PA thats just a good way of killing new players) just yell.

Weird - this has got so long I forget what my point was - but the general status of B.net does make finding the occasional Gem in the population that much more satisfying:)

My tuppence of the day

Chill

[maccool]

I've found the secret to remaining calm in pubbies is to expect everyone to be wearing their idiot hat. That way, when you find someone without a hat, it's a happy surprise.

Or beer; I use beer. Might be why my highest char is lvl 22 :lol:

[Kelicc]

That is pretty sad that nobody gave the poor guy his stuff back. Even worse that it seems to have been "ordinary" stuff so there shouldn't have been much motivation to keep those items.

Kudos to you for showing him that not all of battle.net is filled with greedy, immature players. On a side note, I hope that as you gave him the Sigon's items that you drove home the point about "be careful of IM" because if he didn't learn his lesson then he'll lose that new stuff too :(

[Kevman]

Could have been a L337 breastplate like Venomward:)

Seriously though when I've played pubbies recently the population seems to have polarised even more into

1) Nice people who have nothing of any value and who constanltly get screwed over

and

2) Absolute morons who grab everything that drops, constantly whine about everything(why do they play if they dont enjoy it?), fill the screen with racist/offensive comments and expect to have everything handed to them on a platter and IMHO should have been strangled at ( or at least soon after) birth.

Needless to say the second category seem to be the most common - to the point where I spent a weeks period trying to cull the population by twinking a telenecro to the teeth and hostiling the more offensive of them. Unfortunately they also seem to have about a 80% CH rating too - which doesn't exactly improve my opinion of them!

However It is still worth playing the occasional pubby because it is nice to meet the 1 in 10 who is in category 1 - and hopefully helping put them on their feet with some decent gear and a couple of trusworthy people to play with.

So many of us have forgotten what it was to start from scratch - I don't mean gear because the ladder season briefly levelled the playing field - but I mean concept of how to build a character at all. I only say this because I recently met met someone online who had maxed Magic Arrow and Slow Missiles. I mean both skills have thier uses - but trying to go through Act 5 with nothing else was never going to be easy especially as I think they were using a Rare LongBow with about 40ed. i think they deserved a medal for surviving so far - but told em to put me on their friends list and if they wanted a hand anywhere ( not a PA thats just a good way of killing new players) just yell.

Weird - this has got so long I forget what my point was - but the general status of B.net does make finding the occasional Gem in the population that much more satisfying:)

My tuppence of the day

Chill

So whats that make us guys & girls in the hell games then Chill j/k :)

Kev

[Chiller_babe]

I guess that makes our hell games the BOASAT (Bunch of Anti Social Addicts Team)

Chill

[DFA-FrstbyteOO]

Hats of to you TM. that was a very nice and decent thing to do. I would have done the EXACT same thing if I were in your shoes. It really is a shame that ppl feel the need to do things like that.

[laughingtiger]

Terry's and Chiller_Babe's experiences are why I very rarely venture into pubbies anymore. I'd rather play solo or with a small group of friends.

[Bearcub]

I never loot in pubbies. That said i have helped out lots with reoutfitting especially after they have died and been treated like that. I would say that guy was relatively new, because of the inexperience with im.

And yes HC is very hard to start in especially w/o friends and such. There is a lot that we take for granted. I have started with brand new characters three times, and untill i at least get some sigon pieces it can be tough.

[madman68]

That's why I'm glad I play with a good group of guys. Or at least they tell me their "guys". :buddies:

When one of us dies, we know our gear will be returned.

On a side note, about every month I do a purging of items and join random games and drop stuff. Mostly set items and unique's. Of course the games are Act 1 start, so the people picking up the items won't use them for some time.

|madman

[HAMC8112]

You will only get dissapointed if you have false hope's, it's HC, when you die it's over, never expect your gear back! That is why when you do return someone's gear they almost kiss your feet.

[sohcan]

Bnet pubs *sighs* I completely know what you mean Terry. I have always had the habit of helping polite people out but then again I am not that interested in having the best hoard of items. I have always given away items of various quality to strangers, and to friends high level stuff without looking for anything in return. Don't mistake my meaning I love finding and using something nice like a shako for example, but I would rather see items I am not using be enjoyed by someone else. Heck I gave someone an um and a pul rune the other day simply because he was a friend and I wasn't using them. I eventually accepted some unique javs from him because he said he couldn't take the runes in good conscience, but for me I don't particularly care about tit for tat.

Greed and "pwning" are the base motivations for the majority of bnet sadly and I don't that is ever going to change. But at least there are a few people who don't subscribe to that way of thinking, people who act with a tad, or more, of decency. The few who knowingly, or unknowingly, follow the most uba ways of the hooblar! For it is better for an "itam" to be enjoyed than to be stolen or hoarded! ;)

[cyradis2003]

Could have been a L337 breastplate like Venomward:)

Seriously though when I've played pubbies recently the population seems to have polarised even more into

1) Nice people who have nothing of any value and who constanltly get screwed over

and

2) Absolute morons who grab everything that drops, constantly whine about everything(why do they play if they dont enjoy it?), fill the screen with racist/offensive comments and expect to have everything handed to them on a platter and IMHO should have been strangled at ( or at least soon after) birth.
Chill

I believe the term is "threw away the baby and raised the after birth"

I have given up on pubbies - I did a mule dump not long ago, went into a game called like "act 1 start over" or similar and started giving things away. I started dropping a few things on the ground but after the same guy snatched it all I decided to do trade screens instead. I had some ok stuff, some nice orbs and a kuko as well as some decent higher end junk and some 1.09 echoing knives and the one nice guy in the game got it all after the twerp started spamming "give me good stuff and I will go away"

I love how they complain about the quality of free stuff while going out of the way to STEAL (and I do think not returning loot is pretty well stealing) junk. If they died I bet they would be upset at not getting their ITAMZ back.

[Khianna]

First day I switched over to HC, I fell in with some great people. I would say that reading these posts helped so much in making decisions about where you should and shouldn't play. Also, the people I met up with giving great advice. It is so worthwhile to spend a few minutes educating yourself on these posts.

I had given up on people on b.net until I switched over to HC and met some great people that aren't out to take advantage of you every chance they get. Of course, I realize they are still out there. So, thanks to everyone's efforts to help out.

[IamTheTest]

I am on that awkward 90% SC 10% HC transition and my biggest issue with not going 100% HC is I have no idea where to find good people to play with. I enjoy soloing enough, but if stuff gets hard its nice to have a buddy or seven. Id love to know where to find the good bnet players that will return loot, quest, and help get a newb going...I try to repay whenever I can, it just seems as if I never get out near as much as I put in. Its aggravating wading through the 'less socially apt' and dying due to lack of aid.

help?

[DFA-FrstbyteOO]

I am on that awkward 90% SC 10% HC transition and my biggest issue with not going 100% HC is I have no idea where to find good people to play with. I enjoy soloing enough, but if stuff gets hard its nice to have a buddy or seven. Id love to know where to find the good bnet players that will return loot, quest, and help get a newb going...I try to repay whenever I can, it just seems as if I never get out near as much as I put in. Its aggravating wading through the 'less socially apt' and dying due to lack of aid.

help?
not sure how GAT is doing these days as its been a long time since ive stopped by over there but GAT might be something you want to check into.

also there is a thread titled "The Isle of Misfit Players (insert date here)" right here on this forum. might wanna read thru all of our garbage and drop a line saying hello to everyone.

[RottweilExpress]

You know why I don't give loot? Because it tempts people to put up a dirty tp for you, or lead that nasty monster pack to you, when you're backed up in a corner.

It's just that sad.


Anyway, good deed there, TM.

[CoonerTheRed]

I am on that awkward 90% SC 10% HC transition
help?
two things-
1. keep an eye out here for a team to play on... there tend to be new ones starting up every couple weeks it seems. I think KTA is starting again (not sure if they're looking for new people or not but they're good people) and the Gat Friends games are quality games as well. SCD is another one that just started, but we're a little full as it is (though a spin-off might start up sometime since we seem to have more than 8 at the moment). Or post and start one on your own... many people out there are like you, looking for good people to play with. You'd be surprised with how quickly you find people to play with if you're a good team player and start playing with the same people weekly or so.

2. none of this 90% sc crap... go cold turkey... make the noob core stop!!!!!!!! :clap: :lol:

[ƒenris]

Was the barb being *** at all? The only time I've ever done something like this would be when I was helping some lower lvls with norm d (20-ish chars)
There's this lvl 3 zon going around with the normal
PP!!!P P P PP P PP PP P P PPPP !!!! TP TP TPTPTP!P!!! TP ANY FREE?!?!
So I go, let us clear or you will die, she says, TP TPPTTPT
So someone gives her a tp and she comes in, gets hit once and chickens out, then comes back with another large volley of TPTPP!!! PPP!!!!
So I go
!wait
Party stands back, I let ventar out and make a nice tp before running, say, okay clear, she comes and dies and says 'omg you *** I had shako/tal/ss on that mule!!', not that I care.

That's a nice thing you did though, I've ended up gearing about 4-10 random strangers full-gear (basic low lvl, strings/aldurs/low gazes/lightsabre/chances and crap, and even more to my friends, and when I mf I will save the low level crap and drop it off in games when I'm done. Sometimes it sucks though because I will need a not common or low level item and then not have it (for example I gave away a couple pairs of marrowwalks and now I need some for my poison nec >.<)

[BILLY]

The same thing happens with pubby duels, I took my 18 conc barb up against a lvl 32 eth snap charger. He said he would return loot if I died so I figured why not give him loot. We duel'd a bit and his charges were taking big chunks of life and I made him flux with chicken after a bit. I should have known that he probably wouldn't return loot because of his chicken use but I decided to duel again he ran out and 1 hit killed me. Of course he ran off with my gear and made the typical Owned comment as soon as he killed me even though he had a huge lvl advantage.

[mali]

From what TM said, I'd say 'no' Fenris. There are just an ever-growing number of jerks in the general populace now. 'Tis why I am currently experimenting with playing in Asia. You wouldn't believe how courteous everyone is. Quite a few people are reasonably generous as well. My barb is now L67, and yesterday whilst playing in NM, a chinese dude playing a necro asked to see my gear, then said: "I don't have much, but here..." (well... words to that effect) & gave me a Cranebeak.
It sort of reminds me when I first came to HC. People helped. People just generally being nice wasn't all that uncommon two years ago or so. Now? Unless I'm bumping into people from here or people from GAT, then I feel like I'm treading water in a sewer. Too many children from SC.
The only things I miss in Asia are 1) my friends. I have some good ones in East (& I guess I will be back, just need to get things in perspective...). & 2) people talking. In Asia, sometimes I don't understand what they're saying :scratch: . But as far as playing pubbies, I'd rather not understand someone (who's probably being quite polite) than endure some of the swill I've played with in the general pubbie scene in East.

[ƒenris]

The first few weeks of hardcore ladder were really great, I mean we were all fairly poor, not that high of level, not in hell yet, still working out builds and such, everyone was cooperating, then it got into just a bunch of greedy people I guess.
Softcore is even worse as far as pvm goes, no cooperation at all, I rushed a friend and a full game of lvl 20s to 24 in cows, full thing, and only my friend said thanks.

[ConnerMacleod]

The axe was Brainhew and it was a blue helmet. This guy didn't have great gear.

TM

In that case, the guys were being complete jackasses. Maybe I'll run across them someday. Only when I do, their friends prolly won't stick around to loot them. That's just plain mean what they did.

Just more evidence that some people have no honor.

[Dire_Wulf]

what I hate about people in HC (a lot of them anyway) is that they want all your BEST stuff for the average crap that is fairly common. Someone offered me a baba and crown of thieves for my perfect eth bsnap.

[zxgaimz_i]

The first few weeks of hardcore ladder were really great, I mean we were all fairly poor, not that high of level, not in hell yet, still working out builds and such, everyone was cooperating, then it got into just a bunch of greedy people I guess.

Thats why we need new ladder season =).

Gj TM very kind of you more of you should be out there :).

-zxgaiMz

[Kool69]

(1.09)Sadly, the same thing, well kinda, is what has banned me from HC for a year or more. Amazing one of my new best friends on HC had just given me full sigons and a umes lament. I was so happy. I proceeded to pump my necros strength up so he could equip these items. I had finally beaten Duriel at the level of 23 and wanted to level up and get iron golem before facing act 3. So I joined a 8-player arcane run and ended up stuck in the front the most of the time. I asked politely several times for a werebear to tank for my mages but his only reply was spam of "Move NECRO!!!" "WE NEED AMP!!!" (which i didnt have but he repeatedly asked for it) "Stupid necro bad lag leave" So I was stuck tanking for everyone. We got to the summoner and i ran up there to try to pull my minions up there but a skeleton got stuck on a ghoul lord and the players just waited behind them, a few spaming "DAMN MINONS" "MOVE NECRO" (which i really couldnt do) I died because of 1 lag and not hitting the 4 key for a full rej faster. 3 characters i had given loot to proceeded to loot my corpse. I said brb and left, remade my necro and said can i have my items back please? None brought any back, two were silent thinking i didnt know i was them and one laughed and called me a stupid nOOb and thats these items where better for him and left. Discouraged i left HC until now. But i just got to wait till lent is over to get back playing (Gave up video and computer games for it) Also how would you start a HC group?

:worship: See he bows down to your godlike power to help people ;)

EDIT: When does the ladder reset start?!?!?! I cant wait! Knock the highrollers back down off their stools of power over the common "nOOb"

[HR-Tecira]

And people wonder why I sometimes like to go out and hunt pub players. ;)

As for the person looking for a good coop group in addition to GAT and the Misfits there is also CDC. It has some quality coopers in it :).

[Pinoy]

Amen to that.

What the hell is up with ppl. It's bad enough we have to deal with lame pkers. Now this.

I gotta admit that not all ppl are like the ones you describe. As you're the living prof.

It feels really good when you help someone.

[Pinoy]

You know why I don't give loot? Because it tempts people to put up a dirty tp for you, or lead that nasty monster pack to you, when you're backed up in a corner.

It's just that sad.


Anyway, good deed there, TM.

Damn Rott! You took the words out of my mouth.

Unfortunately, thats is why I don't let ppl loot me. :evil: