PvP WWsin help

[Groovehawg]

Rebuilding my WW dueler and just wanted to get some help on the skill point allocation

quick gear run-down:
p facet shako
metalgrid
bramble archon (working on it)
gores
verdungos
dual ravens
trangs gloves
chaos/fury suwayyah's w/+3 venom
10 shadow charms, anni, various ar/life/max damage scs
standard elemental/absorb gear in stash (kira's, tgods, infernostrides, jade)
Obviously, i'm relying heavily on poison damage

100 max str/dex build w/gear so only spending 80 total points on these stats (have 20 stat anni) so 60 str, 20 dex, rest into vit

Known skill allocation points:
20 Venom, 20 Fade, 10ish weapon block (60% being goal), 1 wof/mb for stun

I'd like to put as many points into flight as possible, and probably around 5 into blade shield to boost duration (this build lacks + to all skills). And I'll probably use a 1 point warrior over master.

The big question i have is how much do i need to spend in claw mastery? I'd be willing to give up a shadow charm or 2 for some heavy ar boosts grand charms, and just dont know if this would make up for the loss of ar from a maxed CM. Plus, my dex is pretty low, so not much of an ar boost there. Any WWers out there not maxing CM? At least, any w/o a full inventory of 3/20/xx?

[mcm]

The big question i have is how much do i need to spend in claw mastery? I'd be willing to give up a shadow charm or 2 for some heavy ar boosts grand charms, and just dont know if this would make up for the loss of ar from a maxed CM. Plus, my dex is pretty low, so not much of an ar boost there. Any WWers out there not maxing CM? At least, any w/o a full inventory of 3/20/xx?

Why dont you want to max CM? You're not exactly starved of skill points.

If you have an AR problem against certain classes, angelic rings/ammy seems to be the best way to work around it. The only sacrifice these items bring are for non-melee characters for which you shouldn't need a huge amount of AR for. Personally, I don't care too much about CBF for a WW assn, it doesn't affect WW in a bad way at all.

[Groovehawg]

Why dont you want to max CM? You're not exactly starved of skill points.

If you have an AR problem against certain classes, angelic rings/ammy seems to be the best way to work around it. The only sacrifice these items bring are for non-melee characters for which you shouldn't need a huge amount of AR for. Personally, I don't care too much about CBF for a WW assn, it doesn't affect WW in a bad way at all.

It's not that I don't want to max it...it's whether or not I need to max it. I'm just wondering if a couple of steel grand charms in inventory makes up for the ar? You're right though, I guess I have points to spare. I thought about the angelic ring/ammy combo, but it won't be possible with this build; I rely on the dex from the ravens to wear my suwayyahs.

Your stance on CBF surprises me. In pvm it's a boon, but in duels the extended duration in WW is a sure way to get killed.

[Las-Vegas]

It's not that I don't want to max it...it's whether or not I need to max it. I'm just wondering if a couple of steel grand charms in inventory makes up for the ar? You're right though, I guess I have points to spare. I thought about the angelic ring/ammy combo, but it won't be possible with this build; I rely on the dex from the ravens to wear my suwayyahs.

Your stance on CBF surprises me. In pvm it's a boon, but in duels the extended duration in WW is a sure way to get killed.

CBF is important for all builds... WW in a major way..

you dont need to max CM, and you can get the same amount of AR with a low lvl CM and a high AR+dex GC as you can get with max CM.

and with two ravens your AR will be fine for everything but WW barbs. you have to have angelic to beat them unless they mess up a lot.

my blade shield (lvl 1 base) last about a minute, enoughf or 1 duel. and im fine with that.

bramble is not the best armor for this build unless you plan on only using poison and not OW and from the gear, you obviously plan on using OW. you could try using an enigma breast pate (so you can use base str and close to base dex) meaning more life or you could go with 118 str (after mods from everything but armor) and use GA or nats armor depending on who you're dueling.

on a non-bos build, I find that enigma helps a lot with r/w issues.. just something to think about.

[Groovehawg]

CBF is important for all builds... WW in a major way..

you dont need to max CM, and you can get the same amount of AR with a low lvl CM and a high AR+dex GC as you can get with max CM.

and with two ravens your AR will be fine for everything but WW barbs. you have to have angelic to beat them unless they mess up a lot.

my blade shield (lvl 1 base) last about a minute, enoughf or 1 duel. and im fine with that.

bramble is not the best armor for this build unless you plan on only using poison and not OW and from the gear, you obviously plan on using OW. you could try using an enigma breast pate (so you can use base str and close to base dex) meaning more life or you could go with 118 str (after mods from everything but armor) and use GA or nats armor depending on who you're dueling.

on a non-bos build, I find that enigma helps a lot with r/w issues.. just something to think about.

Thanks for the info on the charms, vegas. And yes, this build does emphasize poison damage, but with the fury claw and gores im still sitting at an 81% chance of OW when I hit with that claw...more than enough I think.

I struggled with the bramble/enigma issue, but in the end I feel bramble is the best armor for the build. Potentially gives a huge bonus to poison, 50% FHR, mana boost and regen, plus welcome resists. And the only time I need faster r/w is against necros and hammerdins-magic damage dealers-so I just enable BoS anyway, fade being useless.

Still having problems killing any type of descent barb tho...and thats where I hope the extra poison damage from bramble will come in handy.

[dxeptive]

first of all wots cbf? cant be fuked? lol

and groove hog, how are your resists in hell?
resists are vital in duels..

[Bjorgin]

first of all wots cbf? cant be fuked? lol

and groove hog, how are your resists in hell?
resists are vital in duels..

Cannot be frozen. Mind your language in these forums (haha)