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Hey guys. Everytime i play with my nec people yell at me to quit summoning skeletons bc of the horrible lag, but without them all i have is basically a blood golem and bone spear which causes me to die easily. Should i ignore them and do it my way or find a differnet necro build?
Ignore them and summon even more skeles and revives.
Haha thanks. Im guessing you love playing nec's also. thanks for the advice.
If they get all mad about it, let them challenge your 20+ skele army and see what happens...
If you are working together with your party, the front line warriors can protect you
(PS: let them be your skeli ^^!) use curse spells to help.
The no. of skeli needed depends on situation, if your members are not strong enough to tank, raise some skeli to help.
I have an experience that my party members keep on dying, may be their gears are bad, then I summon all I can to help them recover corpse.
Non-spell caster is fragile when naked..lol
Haha Ifrit18 one time i was in arcane with antoher guy and he was like go away you lag, so i went a dif way, he found summoner, exited party, killed summoner, rejoined, i was like wtf was that for i help u and u exit he goes u didnt do anything but cause lots of lag, so i hostile him, he runs back to town like a little girl..
HarbingersOfSkulls
23-02-2004, 07:16
Ignore them and summon even more skeles and revives.
That's what I do also, but also throw in: Poison vine(great for extra lag),5 ravens(just because I let my pets loose once in a while), and either SoB or How(just for kicks), add that with 22 total Skeletons and 12 Revives.
And I'm able to cause alittle havok with some people on cable(Thanks Hammer :drink: ) People who are on dail up- I own. :buddies:
HoS
It wasn't too bad the other day Hos, except I barely knew that Izual was there cause of all the **** on the screen :)
Hey guys. Everytime i play with my nec people yell at me to quit summoning skeletons bc of the horrible lag, but without them all i have is basically a blood golem and bone spear which causes me to die easily. Should i ignore them and do it my way or find a differnet necro build?
i have a funny story i had the same problem doing nm baal runs, a bunch of lvl 50's (mostly sorcs) where complaining about lag so i unsummoned my entire army and i saw 3 sorc get deeds(HCL) i just laughed, then they had me summon back my skeles
Ignore them and summon even more skeles and revives.
You're forgetting the bonewall spamming. :P Or poison nova or something like that. That'll drive them crazy. :P
Yea when i see people do posion nova my comp laggs to no end.
And I'm able to cause alittle havok with some people on cable(Thanks Hammer ) People who are on dail up- I own.
How do you "own" people on dial-up, just wondering since i am one of those stillllll.
Peacrusher
23-02-2004, 21:44
Personally I love "lagging others" When I enter with my powerful army of 13 skellies. they start their cryin.... I then summone 8 mages :).... they cry more. Then I look for the really complicated animation revives. Serpent magus, gloams, venom lords, dark lords (vamps).... so in all I got a 12 warrior, 8 mage, 20 revive and an oak sage running round and my merc spammin bone spears all over......
They start griping about lag.... I squelch and then curse and spam my lvl 27 CE... after lister dies and no one is scratched they shut up.
Keep in mind I only cast revives when ppl are griping about lag. :D
HarbingersOfSkulls
24-02-2004, 03:36
Personally I love "lagging others" When I enter with my powerful army of 13 skellies. they start their cryin.... I then summone 8 mages :).... they cry more. Then I look for the really complicated animation revives. Serpent magus, gloams, venom lords, dark lords (vamps).... so in all I got a 12 warrior, 8 mage, 20 revive and an oak sage running round and my merc spammin bone spears all over......
They start griping about lag.... I squelch and then curse and spam my lvl 27 CE... after lister dies and no one is scratched they shut up.
Keep in mind I only cast revives when ppl are griping about lag. :D
:drink: :buddies:
Me 2
HoS
Ash Housewares
24-02-2004, 03:48
this thread does my heart good
yes, of course, ignore them or cause them even greater anguish, necromancers have an image to maintain
Damn the lagging, full summons ahead!
Tell them Jack ****, and Jack left town.
-Patsy
"I'm here to kick *** and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Privater
24-02-2004, 09:32
If they get all mad about it, let them challenge your 20+ skele army and see what happens...
How you got +20 skells? i only reach 18 :(
Hey guys. Everytime i play with my nec people yell at me to quit summoning skeletons bc of the horrible lag, but without them all i have is basically a blood golem and bone spear which causes me to die easily. Should i ignore them and do it my way or find a differnet necro build?
I say it depends on who you are playing with in a pub, some people are polite and for them if the party doesn't need the summons I will drop them quick. If you have several chars already tanking, or who have minions likes shadows/valks tanking you don't really need many minions.
As for the arses who start whining tell them straight up to upgrade their system/connection or quit whining about it. A decent system can handle the load and keep a decent fps, their lack of a decent computer or unwillingness to upgrade isn't your problem.
A good deal of the problem people have with necros now has to do with the item glut that wasn't there at the beginning of the ladder season. Now that the spoiled brats have their precious "itamz" and they don't have to rely on a necro to keep their childish little arses out of a sling they complain. *sighs* I still remember the early ladder season, "THANK GOD A SUMMONS NECRO!" If we get a reset we might hear those words again. If not then there is only one thing left to do, show the little buggers just how much lag you can toss their way if you really want to. And hey its always fun to lag a whiner with your powers of latency and make them drop from sheer system overload. :D
HarbingersOfSkulls
24-02-2004, 12:01
How you got +20 skells? i only reach 18 :(
He meant combined Skeletons and Mages. With +skills, you can get a few more than with just maxxed out skills.
HoS
Privater
24-02-2004, 12:19
He meant combined Skeletons and Mages. With +skills, you can get a few more than with just maxxed out skills.
HoS
A k :) i have 35 mages and skellies thx for the info a just thought i was missing something :)
Lyte_Hammer
24-02-2004, 18:16
hos asked me to post his actual lag on my 'puter.. i have cable and usually run about 70 fps but when hes in full lagamancer mode i run about 12.. there ya go hos
HarbingersOfSkulls
24-02-2004, 19:15
hos asked me to post his actual lag on my 'puter.. i have cable and usually run about 70 fps but when hes in full lagamancer mode i run about 12.. there ya go hos
My goal is to get you to around 5
:drink: :buddies:
HoS
Lyte_Hammer
24-02-2004, 22:32
joy
:drink: :buddies:
Beatboxer
25-02-2004, 03:10
The lower the ping the lower lag gentles...What's this talk of 12, 5?:scratch:
Unless your talking of a number other than ping...
Unluckily, I'm currently using dial-up with an old comp, and when A full on summner is in a summon frenzy minionmancer festivity....I am utterly owned.
:hanky:
My ping averages aroun 200-400 standing in town. When A summner is around, that spikes, regularly, to 2000-4000!:eek:
Bottom line line is: Try not to party with, or play with summoner's, often, when using Dial-up and an old comp....Tell the whiners it's their fault....cause it is... :evil:
*Summons Mild flame Peer retardent wall*
You can be kind and unsummon in certain cases where all of you minions are not needed though...yes.
Pure Summoner = "Lagromancer"
Invisible aura, Hehe!
HarbingersOfSkulls
26-02-2004, 00:38
The lower the ping the lower lag gentles...What's this talk of 12, 5?:scratch:
Unless your talking of a number other than ping...
Unluckily, I'm currently using dial-up with an old comp, and when A full on summner is in a summon frenzy minionmancer festivity....I am utterly owned.
:hanky:
My ping averages aroun 200-400 standing in town. When A summner is around, that spikes, regularly, to 2000-4000!:eek:
Bottom line line is: Try not to party with, or play with summoner's, often, when using Dial-up and an old comp....Tell the whiners it's their fault....cause it is... :evil:
*Summons Mild flame Peer retardent wall*
You can be kind and unsummon in certain cases where all of you minions are not needed though...yes.
That's why when we are in thte same game Beat...I will only bring out Skeletons and leave the rest on hold...because I know that you are on dial up.
Other people(depending who they are), I would bring out everyone.
HoS
Beatboxer
26-02-2004, 01:37
That's why when we are in thte same game Beat...I will only bring out Skeletons and leave the rest on hold...because I know that you are on dial up.
Other people(depending who they are), I would bring out everyone.
HoS
Well I'm glad I'm not everyone. I'll get cable back soon....I must.:strong:
Pure Summoner = "Lagromancer"
Invisible aura, Hehe!
Level 1 2 3 4 ..... 20
Ping added 50 100 150 200 ...... 1000
chance to timeout% 1 2 3 4 ..... 20
Lagging Aura Receives Bonuses From
+1 Level per Skeleton summoned
+1 Level per Skeletal Mage summoned
+1 Level per Monster revived
Timeout effect: kick out players with potential chance to lockup the player and not allow him to create or join game for 5 to 10 minutes
There is a hidden bonus to summoning skills of all kinds (Drood Skills included).
For each level of a summong skill over 20 there is a -1 penalty to FPS. For each additional minion over 10 there is a -1 penalty to FPS. :)
Dodgy_geezah
26-02-2004, 17:00
I'd just like to add a little comment here. I have nothing against necros and love playing my own summoner very much. I think its funny when there's about 20 revives on the screen and all the other players are screaming at the necro. I have a cable connection so this doesn't lag me much but I still can't see my mouse pointer! Who cares though? You're totally safe!
Offtopic: This totally pissed me off last night. A necro joined me in my game in act2 hell. He was wearing the full trangs so I figured he was reasonably good. I'm whirling away with my IK barbie and his army comes to greet me in the dry hills after 10 mins. (Yeah, 10 mins to raise 12 skellies, alarm bells should've been ringing. He starts summoning revives, fair enough, I can take that. Then I notice he has no merc and of course the first approaching enemy...... BAM! Iron Maiden!
Why do people think this still works??? Somebody help me!
I couldn't help myself, I called him a f*cking moron and left the game.
Sorry to ramble.:) :):D
Isn't There a way to decrease the lag caused by summons by changing the video setting using the Video Setup program that came with the game and Selecting the option with Direct2D?
Because thats what did and I noticed much decreased lag from my own summoner and other summoners in games I join.
Isn't There a way to decrease the lag caused by summons by changing the video setting using the Video Setup program that came with the game and Selecting the option with Direct2D?
Because thats what did and I noticed much decreased lag from my own summoner and other summoners in games I join.I will start complaining about lag when I actually see it.
When that happens I expect to see steam coming from my CPU, sparks from my DSL modem and flames from my Graphics Card. I refuse to downgrade the quality of my experience simply because others spend too much money buying items and not enough on their machines!!!!!
Another thing to add to lag is..
that translucent graphics will cause a significant amount of lag because you have to grab the video memory to merge the pixels with those of the translucent image. So summon an Eth IG with an ethereal item for that added touch of class and sufferering for others :)
wickedWinter
26-02-2004, 19:37
The lag isn't a bug, it's a feature.
The lag is just your computer using the default video setting for D2 which is to render the graphics as 3d which they aren't you your comp is just using up resources trying to make a game look 3d when it isnt 3d.
Lag from summons isnt really caused by connection speed but by your own computer trying to process the graphics.
Changing the video settings simply reduces the amount the resources needed and thus reduces the so called lag.
and i noticed no graphical differences at all.Any way D2 isnt exactly that great looking anyway so it shouldn't matter.
I'ts like trying to run a brand new game like Halo on max settings on a 2 year old computer then complaining about the game being so very slow. all you need to due is reduce the settings and it runs faster.
And just so you know i use aol on dial-up and rarely lag at all.
And just incase you don't beleive me just go to the directory where your Diablo 2 game is and run the video setup program in there select the option with Direct2d then hop online start a game and have summoners join up and summon tons of things and see how much you "lag" as compared to before.
I will then await you to tell me how happy you are with far less lag.
The lag is just your computer using the default video setting for D2 which is to render the graphics as 3d which they aren't you your comp is just using up resources trying to make a game look 3d when it isnt 3d.
Thats not true at all.
Firstly D2 will not use a default setting it considers inappropriate for the available hardware so DirectDraw 2D will be selected by default if the hardware is not upto 3D. This also means that all 3D effects will not be attempted and you will not be able to select them in Video Options.
Setting Video Options to the lowest quality will always speed things up, however my graphics card is capable of doing the lot in the highest quality so, because I can I will use it to its fullest effects.
If your graphics card is 3D capable then DirectDraw can use the hardware capabilities of the card to render the scenes with the pseudo-3D effects used in D2 so things don't slow down with such a card.
As for there being no 3D effects in D2, this is again not true. If I switch my graphics down to the lowest level then my view of the Diablo World loses the perspective effects on the foreground and background. This is most dramatically demonstrated when I go to the edges of the Ancients arena and see the cloud covered landscape a -long- way below me. Without the 3D effects this is simply lifeless background.
The most prevalent 3D effect used in D2 is parallax movement, background objects appear to move slower across the screen than the foreground.
Objects in the scene, such as players/minions, monsters, effects are rendered using texture maps for a large part, this also benefits from hardware acceleration to a large extent.
Withough hardware acceleration the perspective and parallax movement effects take a lot out of your CPU, hence the additional lag when there is a lot going on.
The game is a 2D 3rd Person Perspective game however many of the graphical effects are true 3D effects. I would hate to have to try and render D2 using software only :)
The weakest link in the whole thing is your network connection when playing Realms, the more things that have to be updated on screen the higher the traffic on the network.
If your hardware is not upto to snuff don't moan about it, just adjust those settings you can to make up for things. Sound and Video options are the best areas where you can save.
Perhaps Blizzard should add an option to block people joining a game if they have a Dialup connection :)
Well needless to say all i want now is for some one to confirm that changing the video setting from the Direct3d setting to the Direct2D setting greatly reduces the lag caused by summoners.
As that is completly true.
Well needless to say all i want now is for some one to confirm that changing the video setting from the Direct3d setting to the Direct2D setting greatly reduces the lag caused by summoners.
As that is completly true.
If you had read my reply you would see that that statement is true.
The reason is the same as that stated in my reply albeit because instead of reducing the quality of the video used, you are simply stopping the 3D stuff from being available in the first place. With a top-line graphics card you are not going to suffer from lag with the full whack of 3D effects regardless unless you are using an AOL dialup (56k?? more like 28.8 from AOL). The limiting factor is the your connection then.
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