View Full Version : Great, bugged charms now -.-
Okay..I have no hard proof, but you guys will have to believe me on this one, there are bugged charms on west now.
My friend is in 'Ladder Dueling', so I join, and I see he's in a 6v1 party against some pally Dead_debris or something.
I'm like, lol nice party you newb.
He goes, no one can damage this pally.
Being my cocky self, I say, we'll see.
Now, I should say that my friend maphacks, and the pally was using vipermagi, maras, wisp, raven, HoZ, hoto, trang gloves, arachnid, and sandstorm, shako just you're basic caster set-up.
Of course it's a hammerdin, so I hostile and he comes out, starts with common charge/hammer things, (he only has 10% dr from shako remember) and I hit him with a couple tornados as he runs towards me, and he takes [ ] damage. (no bo or oak that I could see either)
I go..are you sure that's what he's using (I can tell that hes using hoto/shako/vipermagi/HoZ by his char), and everyone says yes.
Oh, and a hammer killed me in one hit, which is a bit strange seeing as I have 3k life, which means 18k hammers, but it's beleivable I guess.
So I bring in my mf sorc, 10k fireball, and I hit him with two fireballs for all of [ ] damage again, and friend again confirms he has no fire absorb/max resist on, did I mention the two other windys, trapper, and orb sorc couldn't hurt him for **** either.
Just a warning guys.
mepersoner
21-02-2004, 10:10
We'll see...
sounds like someone built a good pally .....
we shall see about the charms .. b/c that is one or many magnificant charms ..... i mean that is like open bnet charms if thats the case.
I don't know..there may be some other explanation, but two tornados doing [ ] damage to someone with 10% dr and no bo is just amazing to me.
I agree it is amazing ..... but i dueled a pally not to long ago w/ 30 k def and 6 k life w/ not bo or anything .... it happens.
Im not saying he wasnt bugged or anything .... but there are a lot of pub sleepers out there (non-bugged) that are just amazing with their characters ... it could be either.
Ash Housewares
21-02-2004, 10:32
"that mofo must be cheating" is a common pvp assumption so I can't really say how valid your conclusion is, he could just be a helluva nasty bastard
I agree with ash on this one ...... you may be good or great or godly .... but there is always someone better than the character your good w/ .... if this plays out and a bug comes out ...... more power to you ... but like i said before the people that arnt known are the ones that are really good.
PLEASE do explain how a 6k nado could do maybe 1/10 of someones life, when they have 10% dr, and no battle orders or oak.
Don't you think I thought that he might just be WAY better then me?
1/6 pvp penalty, is 1000 damage, 10% dr is 900. Now it was doing about 1/10 of his life I'd say, so 9k life with no oak or bo? The godliest v/t only had like 4k-ish life, and they were almost ALL vita.
BTW, I just made a pally with pretty much the best caster gear, and his hammer only got to 15k.
+3 hoto
+2 enigma
+1 arach
+2 shako
+4 (hammer) HoZ
+2 sojs
+2 maras
+11 charms
+1 battle command
maxed hammer, maxed blessed aim, maxed vigor, maxed conc.
Now how could a 15k spell 1-hit someone with 3k life?
im not getting in an arguement over this ... it happens is all i can say
I'm just asking for an explanation besides bugs, because I have NO idea at all :S
I dont think anyone here can explain this phenomina ... might try the pally forum.
Only thing i can think of is that mass def. might effect that hitability of tornado. this isnt supposed to happen but maybe a ridiculous amount of def might prevent tornado from hitting. Again tornado is ALWAYS supposed to hit ... but i have seen stranger things happen in my time. (I still swear i seen nado ll w/o ll or life after kill).
mepersoner
21-02-2004, 11:15
He may have had some ber runes. He might have just had a lot of life. Also, a lot of the times tornados double hit and do more damage, you might be used to that and the fact that they didn't this time made it seem like they did less damage, etc. etc. etc.
Burnt_toasty
21-02-2004, 11:59
WE could try to break it down.
Lets see.
---------------------Str Part--------------------------
With items he indicated. Base strength he needs is 54.
He has:
"Now, I should say that my friend maphacks, and the pally was using vipermagi, maras, wisp, raven, HoZ, hoto, trang gloves, arachnid, and sandstorm, shako just you're basic caster set-up."
10x pally combat
1x Anni
if level 86 lets say
--------------------Dex Part-------------------------------
for +20 all +2 combat = 26860 dmg
level 44 Holy shield = 565% ed, +38% block, for max block dex = 187 dex.
Say he has perfect anni = 20 dex
hoto =10 dex
raven = 20 dex
shako + mara = 7 dex ====== 57 thus neededing 130 dex base.
----------------------Vit Part------------------------------------
Level 86 = (86 x 5 per level) + 15 for quests = 445 stats - (54str)-(130dex)=261 points left over. We also need to count the mara, shako, annis additon for a total of 27. 261+27 = 288.
75 life to start with base 25 vit.
Level 86 x 2 life per level gain = 172 life
288 x 3 for every vit = 864
10xCombat charms say 40 lifers = 400 life
Sandstorm = 45 life
Total = 1556
-----------------------Dmg Reduction----------------------------------
Visible at 10%
And you get a 50% penalty in Dmg pvp,
----------------------Summary---------------------------------
THe mans legit. Hes jsut twinked. Notice we left out 3 sockets. Helm, shield, and armour. Also note he has room for 9 additional small charms. I think its eprfectly normal. Most people hail the Hammerdin as king. Im currently doing 12k dmg with just an anni charm. Its got near perfect resists and if your willing toi twinmk him. Its a hell of a time to try and hit the punk.
inkanddagger
21-02-2004, 12:03
not sure if it works for pallies but there are barbs on east whoch are unkillable.
the bug seems to work like this - barb hostiles everyone and then stands out on the battlefield.
they only melee - zerk or conc.
THEY DO NOT MOVE. This is the kicker - if the barb stays where he is NOTHING will kill him - not 40000 fireballs at 10k damage each, not blizzard, not even hammers will kill them (no absorbs here).
but if the barb MOVES from where he was standing, he dies immediately.
I don't how the big works, or what causes it. but it's there.
not sure if it works for pallies but there are barbs on east whoch are unkillable.
the bug seems to work like this - barb hostiles everyone and then stands out on the battlefield.
they only melee - zerk or conc.
THEY DO NOT MOVE. This is the kicker - if the barb stays where he is NOTHING will kill him - not 40000 fireballs at 10k damage each, not blizzard, not even hammers will kill them (no absorbs here).
but if the barb MOVES from where he was standing, he dies immediately.
I don't how the big works, or what causes it. but it's there.
That often occures when he stands on a corpse and both "X" on the map overlap so it makes just one.
The game will think he's already dead or non-existant ,thus you cannot deal any damage.
I thought they fixed this ,but I'll have to look into that.... :spy:
WE could try to break it down.
Lets see.
---------------------Str Part--------------------------
With items he indicated. Base strength he needs is 54.
He has:
"Now, I should say that my friend maphacks, and the pally was using vipermagi, maras, wisp, raven, HoZ, hoto, trang gloves, arachnid, and sandstorm, shako just you're basic caster set-up."
10x pally combat
1x Anni
if level 86 lets say
--------------------Dex Part-------------------------------
for +20 all +2 combat = 26860 dmg
level 44 Holy shield = 565% ed, +38% block, for max block dex = 187 dex.
Say he has perfect anni = 20 dex
hoto =10 dex
raven = 20 dex
shako + mara = 7 dex ====== 57 thus neededing 130 dex base.
----------------------Vit Part------------------------------------
Level 86 = (86 x 5 per level) + 15 for quests = 445 stats - (54str)-(130dex)=261 points left over. We also need to count the mara, shako, annis additon for a total of 27. 261+27 = 288.
75 life to start with base 25 vit.
Level 86 x 2 life per level gain = 172 life
288 x 3 for every vit = 864
10xCombat charms say 40 lifers = 400 life
Sandstorm = 45 life
Total = 1556
-----------------------Dmg Reduction----------------------------------
Visible at 10%
And you get a 50% penalty in Dmg pvp,
----------------------Summary---------------------------------
THe mans legit. Hes jsut twinked. Notice we left out 3 sockets. Helm, shield, and armour. Also note he has room for 9 additional small charms. I think its eprfectly normal. Most people hail the Hammerdin as king. Im currently doing 12k dmg with just an anni charm. Its got near perfect resists and if your willing toi twinmk him. Its a hell of a time to try and hit the punk.
Thanks for the effort, but a couple problems.
Pvp is 1/6, something like 17% or so.
Asked the friend, he said the guys shako had perf ruby and the rest was empty.
1.5k life, no, because I would be doing 900 pvp damage, which would more then half him, and I only did a small amount of his life.
Edit: Oh, and did I mention my sigons set poofed between games on my barb :scratch:
mepersoner
21-02-2004, 12:38
It's 17% not 1/6.
Burnt_toasty
21-02-2004, 13:06
I cant edit but I did one math calcualtion wrong. Concnetration adds only half of waht it says to blessed ahmmer. Therefore the dmg he should be getting around 14k not 28k. Sorry for that lapse in memory.
its 6am here. Cant sleep but tired. Insomnia i guess. ANyway I dont duel often but bnet says its 1/4. The 1/2 is my stupid typo!! Anyhow how do you guys get 1/6????
Warning: When you go neutral with a player that has been hostile to you, this will not force them to become neutral with you. They will now be able to attack you and you will not be able to respond to their attacks until you go back to town and declare yourself hostile with that player again.
"When attacking other players, all damage of attacks and spells are cut in half. Minions do 1/4 damage except for Skeletons which do more damage. Some spells are special cased, such as Paladin Thorns, which will only do 1/10th the damage against other players. The duration of poison, cold, are not affected unless the player has equipment that relates to those elemental attacks. " at http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/basics/pvp.shtml
EDIT: ALSt time then sleep. I ahve noticed buggy hammers though. Immm serious. Sometime my hammer hits and wounds a guy. How is that possible? Im at 11k and a freaking monster shouyld survive one hit cause the same mosnter type dies in 1 hit other times. Im thinking there is a direct hit clause the game takes into account when the hamemrs spiral. When tehy are spiraling towards you vs away. ALmost like how fissure works where certain areas get more exposure.
That often occures when he stands on a corpse and both "X" on the map overlap so it makes just one.
The game will think he's already dead or non-existant ,thus you cannot deal any damage.
I thought they fixed this ,but I'll have to look into that.... :spy:
Yeah, it was fixed in the 1.10 patch.
Kewk_LOC
21-02-2004, 15:56
There is no possible way the guy could have been legit with the information fenris provided about his gear, either fenris missed something or the new hex has arrived =P, or fenris got bored and felt like arguing so he made some bogus thread. :drool:
Could have just posted 'omg newbs marrowwalk isnt teh bugz1!!'
blah that was an arguement right there. :lol:
The fact that I've only seen this once makes me think it might have been an in game bug..we'll see.
electricblue
21-02-2004, 17:12
have you posted this in paly forum also?
what do they say?
Yeah, it was fixed in the 1.10 patch.
actually i am in a game atm, where i tried to do the same trick, by standing on a corpse, a necro with enigma killing everything in the game tried to kill me by teleporting in my face and spamming spirits on me, they didnt hurt me at all, nor hit me. so what fenris is talking about is the same bug as was in 1.09 where u could be "immortal" by jus standing on the corpse spot and spam hammers/hurricane, tornados/arrows or whatever without being killed.
actually i am in a game atm, where i tried to do the same trick, by standing on a corpse, a necro with enigma killing everything in the game tried to kill me by teleporting in my face and spamming spirits on me, they didnt hurt me at all, nor hit me. so what fenris is talking about is the same bug as was in 1.09 where u could be "immortal" by jus standing on the corpse spot and spam hammers/hurricane, tornados/arrows or whatever without being killed.
No, it's not, the pally was moving and taking damage, just barely any.
electricblue
21-02-2004, 18:26
No, think I should?
yes, surely.
possibility of bugged items on ladder is a big thing.
well that stuns me then, this is indeed a mystery, as i know wind druids are insanely powerful(have one myself) and that tornado should deal more damage to a 10% dr pally, even if he has max dr he would still be damaged quite alot, and no way a pally reaches 6k life without bo/oak. and i know ur regarded as a very good wind druid dueller so i am with u on this one. jus hope there isnt any hack/bugged stuff on the realms :( that would really ruin the work of blizzard as well as ppls dedication to the game, to see another patch being destroyed so easilly.
Aldragon
21-02-2004, 18:40
Okay..I have no hard proof, but you guys will have to believe me on this one, there are bugged charms on west now.
My friend is in 'Ladder Dueling', so I join, and I see he's in a 6v1 party against some pally Dead_debris or something.
I'm like, lol nice party you newb.
He goes, no one can damage this pally.
Being my cocky self, I say, we'll see.
Now, I should say that my friend maphacks, and the pally was using vipermagi, maras, wisp, raven, HoZ, hoto, trang gloves, arachnid, and sandstorm, shako just you're basic caster set-up.
Of course it's a hammerdin, so I hostile and he comes out, starts with common charge/hammer things, (he only has 10% dr from shako remember) and I hit him with a couple tornados as he runs towards me, and he takes [ ] damage. (no bo or oak that I could see either)
I go..are you sure that's what he's using (I can tell that hes using hoto/shako/vipermagi/HoZ by his char), and everyone says yes.
Oh, and a hammer killed me in one hit, which is a bit strange seeing as I have 3k life, which means 18k hammers, but it's beleivable I guess.
So I bring in my mf sorc, 10k fireball, and I hit him with two fireballs for all of [ ] damage again, and friend again confirms he has no fire absorb/max resist on, did I mention the two other windys, trapper, and orb sorc couldn't hurt him for **** either.
Just a warning guys.
fenris : go to http://www.buggeditem.com/ this will solve all your questions
ALDRAGON
fenris : go to http://www.buggeditem.com/ this will solve all your questions
ALDRAGON
Obviously open items I think.
Aldragon
21-02-2004, 18:43
Read Well Plz
Read Well Plz
Nowhere does it say closed bnet, old scam.
Aldragon
21-02-2004, 18:50
Nowhere does it say closed bnet, old scam.
Well ive seen a barb on US EAST closed ladder of those actullaly he showed them to me after we were in a pubby and he wounldt die he said he had base vita , he didnt bo and i got him with my liberator and hit him like 6 times with only 7k hammers but his life bar didnt go down a milimeter ,then with 2 botd zerks smashed me 100 times
Aldragon
~Kazama Fury~
21-02-2004, 19:15
Well ive seen a barb on US EAST closed ladder of those actullaly he showed them to me after we were in a pubby and he wounldt die he said he had base vita , he didnt bo and i got him with my liberator and hit him like 6 times with only 7k hammers but his life bar didnt go down a milimeter ,then with 2 botd zerks smashed me 100 times
Aldragon
words mean nothing
proof is needed
a screenshot with timedate/server thing of the items. if they were so great, why wasnt there the instinctive response to take a screenshot of em'?
Maybe it's just me but I find it funny how you immediatly think that someone who beat/is better than you is using cheats.
That's pretty much like
"fenris was slain by pubby guy" OMG NEW BUGGED CHARMS OMGOMG !!?!?!?!? ~~
You should've asked him what kind of build that was and how he got so strong instead of making up some bugged itamz "crap" to make yourself feel better.
No offense,nontheless even though I realize this may sound somewhat harsh. =/
Somehow I knew people would be saying that.
If I get legitly beat, I know it, a few pallys have beaten me. But one with no bo, 10% dr, taking [ ] damage from a tornado? Did I mention before I came in it was 6v1 and he wasn't getting hurt. 10k fireball did a sliver of damage and he had no absorb/max resist on.
It's like you getting beat on your legit char by a hexer and complaining, why say 'omg you just got owned he's not cheating'. I thought you guys would at least trust me more then that.
electricblue
21-02-2004, 19:33
fenris : go to http://www.buggeditem.com/ this will solve all your questions
ALDRAGON
if this site is correct, then I think it is possible to transfer single player items to closed battle.net
~Kazama Fury~
21-02-2004, 19:38
if this site is correct, then I think it is possible to transfer single player items to closed battle.net
knowing bnet, i wouldnt actually be surprised.
but knowing scammers, i wouldnt actually be surprised either if it is a scam, they did not say closed battlenet anywhere. fen is right, it is an old scam. releasing such items into a closed realm, especially on ladder would just ruin the game and all the dealers buisiness. on another look, if such items are on closed, wouldnt it be easy for blizz to just detect these items? a white item having lots of mods, mods that dont even exist in the actual version of the game (ie, increases at dawn, etc.).
I'm fairly sure rust-storm would get them.
A lot of the 'bugged' items, ie occy soj, some of the later iths, quark jewels, items like gavel of pain boots and crap, were all imported from open bnet somehow.
Edit: lol, I remember saying the same thing 'was just town lag, you probably just got beat', when a guy was talking about the rogue/town kill bug, and now I feel like an ***.
Snarlin Stef
21-02-2004, 20:33
No, it's not, the pally was moving and taking damage, just barely any.
maybe your tornados missed. Maybe he was potting so fast that you couldnt see his life go down in the first place.
if he is using bugged items.. why wouldnt he just pvp naked? i dont know.. something doesnt seem right here... maybe it is bugged stuffs
thnx
stef
electricblue
21-02-2004, 20:39
I'm fairly sure rust-storm would get them.
A lot of the 'bugged' items, ie occy soj, some of the later iths, quark jewels, items like gavel of pain boots and crap, were all imported from open bnet somehow.
afaik, most of them were not imports.
proudfoot
22-02-2004, 01:13
This doesn't sound like bugs to me, but it could possibly be so.
If he had bugged charms, he likely would get hurt a lot less than that. But they might be minor hacks, not sure without evidence.
Post this in the Pally Forum and see if they know of any bugs or anything though.
Burnt_toasty
22-02-2004, 02:48
I strongly strongly believe there weren't any hacks/bugged items available. Everything indicated as fact supports that the guy was dueling legit.
1) He doest get phased by elemental spells simply because he is immune. Think about his gear. Wisp for 20% lit and raven for 20% Ice. Both deal with duel builds which effect resist. When the fireball sorc attacked him, he prolly just siwtched to a Dwarven ring for 15% aborb. His gear already indicated he has max resists.
Shako, mara, vipermagi, hoz, hoto, sandtorm, 2 ring slots, spider, trangs. With an anni and the anya quest your talking at at least 175 thus making him 75% all resists. He has way more in reality.
he could easily switch rings in and out for the opponent hes facing thus giving him a huge edge. Also, note his build could incorporate the RESIST AURA with for every 2 ahrd points spent raises your max by 1%. Thus he could spend 10 points say in LIT or COLD and be immune there.
2) He has a ton of life. We already concluded that. Look at the way he setup his gear. It indicates a well thought out dueler who twinked specifically for dueling. I mean a perrfect ruby in a shako's is pretty strange if you ask me. Once again indicating he buffed himself for life. Why wouldnt he?
3) The HAMMERDIN is the most powerful build in 1.10. It has few flaws and lots of power. I mean jsut look at it. The main skill for attack also allows you to get max block extremely easy and get insane defense. The pall's prolly got over 14k defense with the crappy stuff hes got on. If he upgraded could be more.
4) THE MAIN reason why I think he was legit is because look at all the facts. If the man was using bugged charms which made him invunerable, why the heck does he pay close attention to resistance/abosrb? Just look at all the items seperately and combined. He did his research and covered all the main dueler types. If I was immune to dmg why wouldnt I max out dmg even more? Like why didnt he use lidless? Sojs? a +3 combat skill ammy? Simple, the man built his guy and covered his weaknesses because he had him. He isnt "invunerable" becuase of some charm. he's just good at it.
Perhaps it shocked you how powerful Hammerdins are. Perhaps your used to owning people. But the truth is there is always someone better. I know you say you hit him twice, but are you sure? Like i mean absloutely sure? Its not proof because of how you percieved it. I mean Realfugitive thought the tornado's leeched. Like people think proffesional duelers all hack. For instance how many people would call a firebear a hacked char? Perception is tricky.
Also another point, my hammerdin hamemrs have nuked characters with 1 hit that had over 3.5k life. So i dont really know how taht works because on paper it doesnt make sense. I already stated, soemtimes you "graze" them. Sometimes you nuke them. I blame/think the cause is the spiral effect of the hammers. At a certain angle I cant get 1 hit kills. On other angles i need 2 or more.
Perhaps at the right angle/direction of movement by the other character/etc. hammers can hit twice like Tornados can?
I really don't know, as I've never actually seen a hammer in action, but it's something to think about if it's possible.
ReallFugitive
22-02-2004, 03:32
I'd like to believe it. Unless you fought him more than once, I'd just guess he owned you real good and lead you on a goose chase to make you think he was using godly hacked ****. Everyone has bad duels sometimes, even the great ones like me. I won't believe it until I see it, and if someone had it they would definately be bragging.
The pally could of been using pots :P. Lots of pubby dueling seem to pot sometimes.
BlindGuardian
22-02-2004, 05:05
5minutes ago i was doing some baalruns, and then a hammerdin named dread_debris was melting the last wave of minions like butterflies, he was buggy, like he wasnt wearing anything, even though i could see him shouting and bo'ing..
5minutes ago i was doing some baalruns, and then a hammerdin named dread_debris was melting the last wave of minions like butterflies, he was buggy, like he wasnt wearing anything, even though i could see him shouting and bo'ing..
That was him, he just doesnt have the str for his gear. I guess he got CTA.
mepersoner
22-02-2004, 05:35
...he was probably all vita...
Burnt_toasty
22-02-2004, 10:39
That was him, he just doesnt have the str for his gear. I guess he got CTA.
So if thats the same guy. And by typical twinked pally builds. He should have base 1700 life. With a bo at level 16 probably, hes getting 80% more life, thus hes prolly got around 3000 life. Not so ahrd to believe.
My Hamemrdin who doesnt duel, but mfs got 1.5k life, 12k dmg, 13k defense. Max resists with a raven and wisp also. Its typical twink cookie cutter hammerdin. also not a single charm for skill cept anni. If I loaded with 10 combat cahrms w/life and vitas like he most likely did. I bet that would be scary.
mepersoner
22-02-2004, 10:41
1700 is quite a bit lower than I would assume...
Burnt_toasty
22-02-2004, 10:49
1700 is quite a bit lower than I would assume...
I like to always assume a safe number in which you cant argue specualtion. 1700 is easy enough to get without sacrificng much. Thus I like taht number. Anymore wouldrequire serious expensive quality items which I dont like to protry. Almost like the min vs max dmg debate. Who cares only avg dmg matters. Thus I take what an avg pvp hammerdin can get esaily, 1700 k.
EDIT: Instead of spamming heres my reply for mephs post below.
I assume he has avg to top notch. Hate comparing the godliest things possible. He isnt godly. He jsut did his homework on a pally hammerdin. Also, he wont be all small vita charms. The reason why is because since he isnt wearing enigma, he NEEDS to kill you in 1-2 shots. Thus hes gonna go uber skill crazy.
mepersoner
22-02-2004, 10:51
In 1.09 I could get 2.1K pretty easily without abusing the 1.10 strength/gear bug and without all the new items...
Plus, I think we were assuming this guy had his gear setup pretty damn good. :)
vandal_marauder
22-02-2004, 12:14
if what fernis said was indeed true i see no poissiblity of the guy not being hacked. he was able to almost not take any damage from trappers, orb sorc, fire ball sorc, blah blah blah and a 6 k damage wind druid. i'd like to see u guys make a char that can negate all types of damage at once. epseiclaly massive physical damge from 6 k mutlpile hits tornados with the gear he said he's friend saw. i think many of you are in denial that the hacked stuff are coming back it's only a computer game what makes u think they can hack it when they can hack into any computer connected to the internet. and i doubt blizzard is gonna do much about an old game that they are losing money from. who knows like someone said maybe blizzard or some of them emplyees are actually behind it to make some extra bucks. who can blame them since little programmers with dupe hacks are making tens of thounsands off of a game they made. and as for dupers, scammers, map hackers and other types of cheater out there. ur no better than this guy fernis mentioned dont' whine cuz your hacks arent' as "good".
mepersoner
22-02-2004, 12:19
It's a lot easier than you think. ;) Especially considering the p v p penalty comes first now.
I dueled him again, and I'm ready to eat my words and admit that he is just better, sorry for the false alarm. (his name is dread_tabris btw)
It was like 3-2.
The life thing - he showed gear (wouldn't show charms but I don't think they're bugged), he is ALL vita, base str base dex, basically the perfect counter to a wind druid, being a max life hammerdin. He has Shako/enigma and ss for max dr, and he has bo now too. Whenever he died (happened about 3 times, 2 by me and one by a charged strike zon with a lower resist switch, he had to rejoin game, which I guess was to put on gear.
He let me nado him and I was doing more like 1/6 of his life, which was a decent amount, I guess he is just mass life and life charms.
The 1 hit kill - I realized it was because I would teleport and the hammer would kill my oak and me, which would mean my life was down near 1.6k instead of 2.7k. A hit on just me did about 3/4 of my life. He is the best I've ever seen with charge/hammer, and if he nearly dies he will just charge and spam one or two before moving again, really hard to hit him.
Both of the Ashs who predicted this, I hope you guys understand that I'm admitting you were right and someone was better then me. (I told you guys I would admit it if I got owned), but you can still go die, j/k :lol:
electricblue
22-02-2004, 14:09
what about the fire sorcs etc not harming him ?
All I can say is mass life, I guess there's still the possibility of bugged charms, he wouldn't show anyone, but I mean why would he have to rejoin whenever he died, and why would he die in the first place if they were bugged.
That often occures when he stands on a corpse and both "X" on the map overlap so it makes just one.
The game will think he's already dead or non-existant ,thus you cannot deal any damage.
I thought they fixed this ,but I'll have to look into that.... :spy:
Taken from the Patch file...
- "A player character standing on a player corpse is no longer immune to
missiles."
All I can say is mass life, I guess there's still the possibility of bugged charms, he wouldn't show anyone, but I mean why would he have to rejoin whenever he died, and why would he die in the first place if they were bugged.
Also, he may have rejoined so his corpse would go to Town to eliminate the possibility of NKing.
Nope. I followed him, with no hurricane or pets, just to see, because other people were saying he had bugs and didn't pre-equip, so I follow him right up to his body and he says brb and rejoins, same thing happened the next time, no one was nking, and before he got his body he went to stash every time.
Nope. I followed him, with no hurricane or pets, just to see, because other people were saying he had bugs and didn't pre-equip, so I follow him right up to his body and he says brb and rejoins, same thing happened the next time, no one was nking, and before he got his body he went to stash every time.
Just a thought. As I understand it quite a few people do NK, and I can see where it would be better just to rejoin a game just to eliminate even the possibility of that then go through that aggrivation.
The best thing to do vs. nkers is to dodge and get your body, then kill them, and then walk into town and say I'm not going to nk you because I'm the better person, hopefully they will feel like **** ^^
The best thing to do vs. nkers is to dodge and get your body, then kill them, and then walk into town and say I'm not going to nk you because I'm the better person, hopefully they will feel like **** ^^
A plenty good idea.
Heh, most pubbies will probably just call you a st00pid n00bzer or something. Come to think of it, they'll do that no matter what you do.
Well, at least you'll know you're the better person. That's really all that's important anyways.
DemonicTutor
22-02-2004, 16:25
He rejoined to avoid causeing multiple corpses. He obviously uses the strength bug to equip hit stormsheild.
I see tons of characters do this. They have to goto there stash, put on a ton of +strength items to equip there stormsheild, then after its equipped, they take off all those +strength items and equip there normal items.
Problem is when they die, they cannot pick up all the items on there corpse because they don't have the strength for it. It's a real hassel so they just rejoin when they die.
The solution is to equip the right +strength gear to avoid this, or to actually put some points in strength.
Yeah but I mean if you have so much life you barely die it's kind of worth it. He has more life then any barb I've dueled. :scratch:
DemonicTutor
22-02-2004, 16:37
Yeah but I mean if you have so much life you barely die it's kind of worth it. He has more life then any barb I've dueled. :scratch:
You said 1 nado took off 1/6th? Well assumeing u got a 6k nado, thats 1k after pvp, 500 after 50% dr. 500 x 6 = 3,000 life.
I have seen non-ladder pallys hit 2.5-3k without battle orders or oak (no im not kidding you).
The last hammerdin I had hit 3.1k with BO and he didn't have any charms. So this pally doesn't exactly have godlike hitpoints. Maybe 3k is alot for ladder though since items are more limited.
What I don't get though is how he was tanking fireballs like that. Normally you need a Guardian Angel + Riseing sun to tank fireballs like that. Unless the sorc had weak fireballs.
Although if he is going 50-50 with wind druids, that blows me away. Because I havn't had any problems with hammerdins useing my wind druid, I'd like to see him duel.
I'm fairly sure it was a double hit since I was standing right next to him with a perfect shot, and it's not very accurate to go by my guesses from looking at his name and all.
DemonicTutor
22-02-2004, 16:57
He could have like 39x +20 life small charms if he is sporting like 5-6k with BO. Or maybe he got a hold of some 40+ life GC and had it duped 10 times.
Can't discount the use of dupes, but it certainly doesn't seem like he is useing hacked items.
If all else fails, get a amazon and pwnt him :) Just remember to stay south-west.
High life is very possible on a paladin I dueled on on scnl w/ 6k life (he claimed). And i believe him b/c I hit him like 6 times w/ Eth Botd 396% and his life didnt move that much at all. A lot of zero base zero dex pallys seem to be spurring up.
Taken from the Patch file...
- "A player character standing on a player corpse is no longer immune to
missiles."
well even blizz doesnt fix the game 100% tho the patch file may say so.
i was standing where a corpse was and a necro spammed bone spirits on me. they jus kept flying back and forth in an effort to hit me. but didnt. so the possibility is still there of standing at corpses and be immune to damage from missile attacks.
btw, what is the str bug? is it the one where u cannot equip say storm without str from ur gloves or something and then ppl see u naked or without a weapon or something like that?. also does storms block/dam reduce work if u do what u said about putting on charms with +str and equip items, then removing the charms again?
think i might have misunderstood something there tho :)
My barb has close to 5k life :). Well almost, need just my etheral colossus blade :rant:.
inkanddagger
23-02-2004, 02:44
i know for a fact that the bug still works. when 7 people are whacking away MELEE at a barb that is just standing there for 10 minutes...yeah.
about these zero dext/ zero str builds - what about block rate? is haveing 3k with almost no block vs 1k life with 75% block an advantage? I would think distinct disadvantage in most situations.
As far as druids go, we only get 2 hp per vitality in human form. I remeber before oak sage on my 09 elemenatlsit i had around 380-400 vitality just to break the 1k life mark. So isn't it sort of pointless to pump vit?
I dont know what your doing ink b/c my current pvp melee wolf is stacked with small vit charms , str build, (some is in vit not a lot though) and he hits 5k life, and oak isnt even maxed.
edit: that is w/o CtA as well.
~Kazama Fury~
23-02-2004, 04:47
voice, ink was talking about his 09 elementalist... therefore, it does not shapeshift like your melee wolf. and his 1k life wasnt even including the oak sage which you seem to have counted it in even tho your oak sage isnt maxed.
however, my vita nec build was able to have ~1500 life iirc, i think an elementalist can get the same if not more with oak.
.EYRIS.ONE.
23-02-2004, 05:04
may already have been said but there is this bug with a barb : he uses flamebellow ( unique balrog blade which give you inferno ) he uses inferno then leaps, once he's landed nothing can kill him :p just thought i'd announce this :p
peace.
inkanddagger
23-02-2004, 06:32
may already have been said but there is this bug with a barb : he uses flamebellow ( unique balrog blade which give you inferno ) he uses inferno then leaps, once he's landed nothing can kill him :p just thought i'd announce this :p
peace.
see i knew there was a trick.
On my PvP wolfs I usually end up with 5-7k life, but human form you only get 2 life per vit.
anyways i'm starting a thread on this so dont respond to me here.
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