Andariel Drop Bug [Archive] - Diablo 3 & Diablo 2 Forums @ Diablo: IncGamers

moi

23-02-2004, 21:11

calm down slayer. There are plenty of posts here asking ABOUT bugs, since most of the bugs have already been discovered. and let me ask you, did you use guided arrow on a zon in 09 with even 1 point into pierce? Techinically that was a bug...

Sessily. i think the bug you are mentioning has something to do with andy dropping like the quest kill if you talk to a certain npc first (i forget which one now). Be aware that is this a SUSPECTED bug and hasnt really been proven yet

wth? Its quite easy to demonstrate. She will never drop a magical item that isnt a failed set with her quest drop. If you can get andariel, after going to act 2, to drop a magic item which there exists a set version of that she would be able to drop, than the bug is there. otherwise, it isnt. You people make things too hard sometimes.

I can't comment whether the bug is actually there or not, since I play single player, and they may have patched it on bnet. But in SP it's there all right.

ScruffyhawkIII

01-03-2004, 16:35

you just click on kashya or whatever once, just once, so that the dialogue option tree appears, thats all

cOMMANDo

01-03-2004, 17:01

i personally dont' think this "bug" works

i've tried talking to the npc, and not, and done hundreds of runs each way, i have found good things either way
its all LUCK!

Mistress

01-03-2004, 17:14

I read this thread and clicked on Kashya once and bam a SOJ dropped. Don't know if this played a factor but I know I'm clicking her every run now.

Mistress

cOMMANDo

01-03-2004, 17:24

I read this thread and clicked on Kashya once and bam a SOJ dropped. Don't know if this played a factor but I know I'm clicking her every run now.

Mistress

luck, ive found an soj on her also, and 2 bul kathos, i might have talked to an npc on one of those runs, maybe
mf= LUCK ONLY

D'Shay

01-03-2004, 18:28

i tried if for 15 runs and only had one ring drop the entire time, it was a cathans LOL

i have better luck with pit runs

Zenkat

02-03-2004, 04:03

You dont quite understand. You dont need to click an npc every run, its when you first kill andariel for the quest, and talk to warriv (or anyone else) after that quest, that she resets for good. She will always drop rares/sets/uniques (or failed sets/uniques) every single time you kill her after that, regardless of mf.

You can easily see this, she will NEVER drop a scroll/potion/gold/normal items/magical items (that arent failed). Tho it seems sometimes she'll drop runes/gems still.

Sessily

02-03-2004, 04:40

Well - it isn't present in my game as I'm still getting ****ty magic items form her.

Zenkat

02-03-2004, 04:59

Check the magic items, if they have double the normal durability, its called a failed set item.

Only items you cant check for this are throwing weapons and bows/xbows.

But you can assume these are failed sets too, as all magic items that you can check, i have, and they are all double.

happyface95

02-03-2004, 05:50

I'm sorry but how can you not talk to wariv after you finished the quest.

LunarCrisis

02-03-2004, 06:28

I'm sorry but how can you not talk to wariv after you finished the quest.

True Dat...

So how do we know if her drops are better than normal if there is no way to test what normal is?

Sessily

02-03-2004, 07:20

Ahh, gotcha man. Thanks!

You DO talk to Warriv ONLY ONCE. That makes her uber-drop permanent. You do NOT have to talk to him each run!

To check if it's working (it does), look at the magical items you get. They should have double durability. Go to www.d2data.net to see the original durability.

Dreamsmith

02-03-2004, 07:46

Tho it seems sometimes she'll drop runes/gems still.

Sometimes? When you kill her for the quest, she drops three gems in addition to whatever else she drops. So, if she's not dropping three gems for you every time you kill her, this "bug" is obviously not working...

Zenkat

03-03-2004, 01:58

Sometimes? When you kill her for the quest, she drops three gems in addition to whatever else she drops. So, if she's not dropping three gems for you every time you kill her, this "bug" is obviously not working...

True, the gems drop if youre getting the QUEST. You can only get the quest once, and the gems are part of that quest. She will STILL drop all rare/set/unique items (or faileds) after that if you talk to an npc and head to lut gholein. Its proven bug, try for yourself. Rares/Sets/Uniques without any mf at all.

kle02

03-03-2004, 04:59

I thought the order went: Get quest from NPC--->Kill andy (she should drop gems with the shiz)---->then talk to NPC

[G.Knightz]K.nG

04-03-2004, 16:54

Aww man I don't think i got the bug =(.

kryo

04-03-2004, 18:30

Same here. I've tried all sorts of variants on making the bug happen, but even after a good 20 nm andy runs, she's dropped only one unique and one set (both normal) and everything else was either a crappy rare or magic. Most of the time, she just dropped two magics.

kle02

05-03-2004, 02:32

I know for certain it works on my Hammerdin in NM but I dont know how it happened lol If you did get the bug andy should be always dropping Gold,Green,Yellow but no blue.

Zenkat

05-03-2004, 13:47

I'll try to explain this again.

When an item is rolled to be SET or UNIQUE, but no item like that actually EXISTS, then that item is called a FAILED set or unique.

A failed set item turns into a magical item with double durability.
A failed unique item turns into a rare item with triple durability.

Check the magical items she drops, they are ALL failed set items. This means she is actually dropping all sets/rares/uniques, but not all items in the game can actually be set or unique.

Getting her to drop the "right" items that you would deem "worth" keeping, is all amount to luck. Just for the record, this bug will not make her drop elite uniques everytime you kill her, the items she drops are always random, but they will always be set/rare/unique. (or faileds)

tup_tup

05-03-2004, 14:20

Zenkat

05-03-2004, 15:23

Right. So then explain how I kill her multiple times a day a get plenty of magical items with normal durability that have unique/set counterparts? Yesterday she dropped a blue breast plate with normal durability. Are you telling me this is a failed Venom Ward or Isenharts?

I wont dispute your breast plate.
You have somehow bypassed a bug that seems impossible to bypass. All i can think is you killed andariel, but never talked to an npc or went to act2, and continued killing her after that. (which i doubt is the case)
My hat is off to you, although you are missing out on some nice upgraded drops. :(

tup_tup

05-03-2004, 15:38

Yeah, you're right. I killed her and went onto act 2 like everyone else. I obviously talked to Warriv afterwards, so I don't see where the bug in this is. I don't think it is possible for one person to do it my way and get the bug and another person do it my way and not get the bug.

Zenkat

05-03-2004, 15:42

Very true, i cant see how the bug would "skip" you so to speak.
All i can say is for my sorc, it doesnt matter whether i kill andy in norm/nm/hell, every single item she drops regardless of the mf i carry, are always rare/set/unique. The weirdness never ends.

tup_tup

05-03-2004, 16:03

Well maybe it's the character class? I'm playing with a Necro and you're playing with a Sorc. I wonder what the people who have the bug are playing. Maybe it has to do with you're character class or your level or something else. There may be another factor involved with this.

kryo

05-03-2004, 16:53

I tried it with my sorc, and like I said above all I usually got was some normal magics (not faileds) and a rare or two and now and then a unique or set. There's got to be more to this bug than people are thinking, else me and tup would be getting it too.

tup_tup

05-03-2004, 17:02

Now I only kill her in Hell. I haven't tried this in normal or NM, but I assume it wouldn't work.

For Hell difficulty here are the factors I can think of that may make me and Kryo different from Zenkat.

In Act 1 I've done all quests except for Charsi.
I've also completed Hell difficulty.

For those that have the bug, have you killed Duriel? Have you completed all of Hell? Have you completed all the act 1 Quests? Have you gone to act 2? Did you go to act 2 in the same game you killed Andy in? Did you talk to Warriv in the same game you killed Andy in? This might take some testing, but if there is a bug where Andy will always drop good gear then it might be worth it for some people to get together and test this thing.

kle02

05-03-2004, 17:12

Well I killed Andy in hell this morning she dropped all BLUE! But I forgot to check the durability. But I think I may have had a bad sign of drops in NM where andy dropped a yellow and blue and a HP pot but then again I've been having so-so luck.

Zimbardo

05-03-2004, 18:51

I think the Andy bug is just bullsh*t.

One time she dropped NOTHING ...yeah, no items dropped at all. Not even gold.

Pure luck.

Hoyunah

06-03-2004, 02:11

It is almost impossible for u not to get the bug If all you have to do is talk to an NPC because you have to talk to Warriv to get to act2 So technically everyone should have the bug.

Zenkat

06-03-2004, 02:34

Hoyunah is right, it is theoretically impossible to not have the bug.
Thus i am going to kill andy will all of my characters and check her drops.
I will post the results.

Zimbardo: andy drops far less than meph does most of the time, this can be remedied by a full game. I have had her drop a single item many times, it happens. This also means the bug is active, since her drop could be a scroll or potion but can't because of the bug.

kle02

06-03-2004, 06:55

I just think the bug happens at random either you get it or don't again pure luck! Andy did happen to drop me a key though...

Zenkat

06-03-2004, 06:59

Tests were done in the USwest Ladder on all difficulties, with varying mf (some char have lots like a sorc, others have none). Only one kill of andariel was made, since it takes forever to do this with all of my characters. I declare it bugged if all items that dropped for me were set/rare/unique or faileds. Its obvious when its not bugged, since gold piles and potions usually drop.

Matriarch Blizzard Sorceress level 92
norm/nm/hell - bugged

Patriarch Zealot Paladin level 79
(no norm wp) nm/hell - bugged

Patriarch WW Barbarian level 86
norm/nm/hell - bugged

Patriarch Werewolf Druid level 91
norm/nm/hell - bugged

Champion Javelin Amazon level 78
norm not bugged. (very peculiar)
nm/hell - bugged

Patriarch Hammer/Healer Paladin level 88
norm - bugged? (a failed set ring mail dropped... too weird)
nm/hell - bugged

Slayer Summon Necromancer level 59 (not in hell yet)
norm/nm - bugged

Patriarch Wind Druid level 84
norm - bugged? (An ethereal failed set ring mail??? o.O)
nm/hell - bugged

Champion Kicking Assassin level 73 (had not done hell andy quest)
norm/nm - bugged
hell - not bugged, and here i think is why.
I first had to acquire the wp to actually get to her and do that quest, when the quest was finished, i left the game without talking to any npc's. When i came back, i talked to an npc, went to act 2, and left the game again. On the 3rd game, i went down and killed andariel again, and she indeed did not drop her usual bugged items.

From this info, i am going to assume if you kill her and do NOT talk to an npc, but instead leave the game, this will somehow bypass the andariel bug. Obviously a little more testing is required, but i think i solved it.
Continuing on...

Champion Strafe Amazon level 74 (had not done hell andy quest)
norm/nm - bugged
hell - not bugged again. this time done a little different.
I did the andariel quest, and left the game again, i then made a new game and talked to warriv, but didnt travel east, and then proceeded to kill andariel again.

With these 2 finishers, i think i have partially solved the andy bug.
If you want the bug, do your andy quest and talk to the npc in that same game. If you want to avoid it (dunno why you would), do the andy quest and then leave the game without talking to anyone.

Hope this helps some people a little on this andariel bug mystery we've been having.

th5418

06-03-2004, 07:27

Im still confused. So the andy bug works by.
1) create new game
2) chat with a NPC
3) kill andy

Zenkat

06-03-2004, 07:32

Im still confused. So the andy bug works by.
1) create new game
2) chat with a NPC
3) kill andy

no no no!

The andy bug is a PERMANENT event. If you kill andy for her quest, then talk to an npc in that same game, she will be PERMANENTLY reset to drop her bugged drop class for that difficulty and character.

If you do what i did above in my tests, and leave the game right after killing her for her quest, the andy bug will NOT work EVER with that character and that difficulty.

It's a one time setup. You either do it right and get the permament bug, or do it wrong and never get the bug for that character and difficulty.
I do hope thats clearer, thats the best i can describe it.

th5418

06-03-2004, 07:36

Awwww crap! That sucks then.

RTB

06-03-2004, 13:54

Sometimes? When you kill her for the quest, she drops three gems in addition to whatever else she drops. So, if she's not dropping three gems for you every time you kill her, this "bug" is obviously not working...
The gems (additional 2 chipped and 1 normal gem) are part of a hardcoded drop, it only happens on the very first drop.

The bug is about the quality, her quest drop (only supposed to happen on the first drop) has improved odds for unique/set and always drops rare. Magical items can drop, but they're always failed set. Get more MF if you don't want that to happen.

The Andy bug can be tested by the fact that any magical items are failed sets and that junk items (like bolts, gold and scrolls) don't drop.

Zenkat: Can you complete the quest without talking to NPCs? If you can't then the bug should be impossible to avoid.
Normal Andy is Mlvl 12 and the Angelic set requires at least Ilvl 17 to drop. So the failed set isn't so weird afterall.

kryo

06-03-2004, 17:58

One thing: I never leave the game after killing andy for quest--I always go to act 2 first thing.

Anyhow, I just did a couple quick andy runs on nm, and where there was no bug the other day (she dropped mostly non-failed magics) she now dropped piles of low sets (milabrega armor, cathan mask) and uniques (spirit forge), and all the magics were definitely faileds. So it seems my sorc now has the bug :)

cainc5

06-03-2004, 18:16

i confirm that
ive made like 10 runs in hell
it drops rares, sets, uniques, runes and failed magics

Dreamsmith

06-03-2004, 20:14

The gems (additional 2 chipped and 1 normal gem) are part of a hardcoded drop, it only happens on the very first drop.

That was my point. Earlier, someone had said the bug was that if you talked to an NPC after killing Andariel, she would subsequently always drop as if it was the first drop. If that were the case, you'd always get the gems. As for only dropping uniques or sets (or "failed" uniques/sets), I'll have to look into that. Should be easy enough to test, save that I can't test the other scenario (why on Earth would anyone kill Andy and then quit without at least taking that handy free town portal back to town and talking to Warriv -- I certainly don't have any characters on any difficulty level that would qualify as "non-bugged" if it really does work that way)...

Zenkat

06-03-2004, 22:38

Zenkat: Can you complete the quest without talking to NPCs? If you can't then the bug should be impossible to avoid.
Normal Andy is Mlvl 12 and the Angelic set requires at least Ilvl 17 to drop. So the failed set isn't so weird afterall.

Ok, i wondered about the angelic armor thing going on there.

As for the talking to an npc, like i wrote before, if you kill andy for her quest, then leave the game, make a new game and talk to the npc there to fully complete it, she will NOT be bugged. I tested with 2 characters to make sure, and it indeed works like that.

And yes, i dunno why anyone would kill her and not talk to warriv in the same game, which is why just about all of my characters are bugged on all difficulties.

Khrys

08-03-2004, 23:15

luck, ive found an soj on her also, and 2 bul kathos, i might have talked to an npc on one of those runs, maybe
mf= LUCK ONLY

You definately didn't, since Hell Andariel's Mlvl is 62 and the Ilvl of a BK ring is 66.

toader

09-03-2004, 00:15

You definately didn't, since Hell Andariel's Mlvl is 62 and the Ilvl of a BK ring is 66.

Well, I also found a BK ring on Hell Andy...so it appears your source is incorrect.

Zenkat

09-03-2004, 01:51

Preeeety sure Andy's Mlvl in hell is 75, not 62.

Says so here anyway: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act1-andariel.shtml

5N4K3

09-03-2004, 08:08

So basicly once you kill her for quest and go to act 2 you dont have to talk to anyone ever again .. just kill her as much as you want. (and not expect gems or town porthole from her "reseting")

Am I correct? I just learned of this about 1/2 hour ago and tryed it. I killed her about 20 times ... I found tals ammy in the first ten.

Zenkat

09-03-2004, 09:29

Yup, you pretty much got it. You now have a permanently bugged andariel for that character.

ZeroUnderOne

09-03-2004, 09:52

If i finish andy quest in hell, and talk to warriv to reset,is there anything that might be done to cancel the reset effect? Because i tried a like 50 runs and I didnt notice any failed sets or uniques. Does finishing hell maybe have something to do with it?

Zenkat

09-03-2004, 11:30

Nope, like i said before, whichever path you choose (bugged or not bugged) will remain with that character+difficulty for its entire life. From then on her drops will either be always bugged, or always lame. Its up to you if you want to take advantage of the andy bug while it still exists.

PWDirect

10-03-2004, 03:34

The andy bug is a PERMANENT event. If you kill andy for her quest, then talk to an npc in that same game, she will be PERMANENTLY reset to drop her bugged drop class for that difficulty and character.

I must have that bug then as I followed these instructions, thing is - best item ive found so far is umes wand / IK Booties from 70+ runs. I use hammer pally, but only have like 230% mf as I use enigma on ladder for speed.

I guess its a case that she can drop tradeables to help you build up rather than dropping the super elites.

Before anyone mentions that she drops sojs and bk rings - i am aware of this, and if i kill her again and get another damn nagal ring....

Khrys

11-03-2004, 00:44

Preeeety sure Andy's Mlvl in hell is 75, not 62.

Says so here anyway: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act1-andariel.shtml

Ohh. Sorry. I was using information from Dii.net's Darkness.

robin2010

11-03-2004, 05:15

Zenkat

11-03-2004, 11:57

ok so kill hell andy and to go a2.. finaly hell diff and all that
then i can andy and kill her like its quest drop everytime and she should now drop any gems at all? and if i talk to and npc BEFORE i kill andy will that effect anything?

She'll drop gems sometimes, but it seems kind of rare. She only drops her quest gems once, for the actual quest.
Talking to an npc before killing andy does nothing. Talking to one in the same game right after you kill her will cause her to be bugged.

Wolv

11-03-2004, 17:18

AS someone else pointed out, most peeps will have a bugged Andy cuz U have to talk to Warriv to get to act 2.....

She's good for running for jewery (rings and ammys) but she also drops nice tradeables too. I got a HoZ off of her.

robin2010

11-03-2004, 17:32

ah i did a test and, sucess :thumbsup:
found a magiical claymore and it was 100 dura, norm claymores r 50 dura

ruben051

11-03-2004, 18:22

Hm.. does this bug improve your chances of for example finding a soj?

Necrochild313

12-03-2004, 06:06

I would like to second Zenkat's findings...I just tested it with a char who didn't talk to waheed before she left the game and a char who did. Zenkat's analysis is quite correct as far as i've seen.

Zenkat

12-03-2004, 07:41

Hm.. does this bug improve your chances of for example finding a soj?

This is a mystery to me. I have asked myself this question, since NM andariel has good soj dropping chances.

Since her bugged drops do not require or even use the mf that you carry, i have no idea of her odds of dropping unique rings. She seems to just drop whatever she feels like, but since those rings will never be magical, i guess the odds are better.

Considering you dont need to wear mf since she's bugged, pure dmg gear will let you kill faster and more effectively i would think.

igorpotapov

12-03-2004, 12:52

I agree with Zenkat.
1st: Bug Andariel or Quest Andariel drops more rings then normal.
Monster Chance to drop any ring per item
Quest NM Andariel 1.35%
Normal NM Andariel 0.8266%

2nd: Quest Andariel drops more uniques then Normal Andariel.
For +0%MF and for item, like ring:
Monster Chance to drop unique per item
Quest NM Andariel 8.258%
Normal NM Andariel 2.678%

3rd: MF items INCREACES chances to drop uniques by Quest Act Bosses! With more MF you will find more unique items ALWAYS!

P.S.: Read my guide about soj mf: http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=146855
P.P.S.: I am writing second edition now. Watch for Statistics Forum.

5N4K3

12-03-2004, 17:37

thanks for the info guys :D
this is great :) I getting some very nice drops but I have a question. If a monster drops a white item then it can drop the unique also correct? (white grim helm / gaze)
thx .... you guys got me fine tuning my Andy runs :P .. gret job on the info!
5N4K3

RTB

12-03-2004, 17:59

If a monster drops a white item then it can drop the unique also correct? (white grim helm / gaze)No. If it's just barely capable of dropping the base item, there's a good chance it can't drop the unique version.
Normal monsters are the most affected by this.

Edit: I just realized that in hell their TCs are upgraded based on the area_lvl. That statement isn't really true anymore, gotta stop using 1.09 info for 1.10...

Zenkat

12-03-2004, 18:50

3rd: MF items INCREACES chances to drop uniques by Quest Act Bosses! With more MF you will find more unique items ALWAYS!

Awesome to know, it was unknown to me if mf even affected the quest drop. So to the previous statement about soj, andariel seems to be quite keen on dropping unique rings while bugged.

viruszero

12-03-2004, 22:08

Zenkat

13-03-2004, 01:12

THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHERE THE BUG IS NOT WORKING!!

ok the bug was not working for me and then i thought...maybe i have to complete all the quests? The only thing I had left to do was imbue. Once i did this, viola! it worked!

I'm certainly rather skeptical.
I shall do exactly as you have done, and either prove you right or wrong.

dang79

13-03-2004, 11:44

I did 4 runs last night, while this doesn't represent a statistically significant sample, I just have a question.

Runs 1,2 and 4 dropped all rares/uniques/sets of various qualities(6 items, 2 and 2)

Run 3 dropped absolutely diddly squat. Nothing at all.

It looks like my Andy is bugged, as it prob should be as I talked to the NPC and went to act 2 before doing anything else.....

So.... is something like run 3 supposed to happen or is it some error where the packet gets lost or something (lol)

Zenkat

13-03-2004, 11:58

So.... is something like run 3 supposed to happen or is it some error where the packet gets lost or something (lol)

For one, andariel chooses to drop fewer items than meph does regularly, which can be remedied by a full game.

Secondly, and this is only a guess on my part. Since andariel is bugged, she cant drop piles of gold/scrolls/potions, so my assumption is your "nothing" drop was failed gold/scrolls/potions etc.
I have no proof, its just a guess.

lazyassdre

13-03-2004, 18:36

Zenkat

14-03-2004, 10:44

So basically, you don't need any MF for her to drop rares/sets/uniques? Or would MF improve the chances of the items being set/unique as opposed to failed ones? Or are the failed items only items that try to be a set or unique, but no set or unique of that item exists?

According to Igor, mf still improves the chances.
I myself dont run with very much mf, and still find many set/unique rings.

igorpotapov

15-03-2004, 08:48

So basically, you don't need any MF for her to drop rares/sets/uniques? Or would MF improve the chances of the items being set/unique as opposed to failed ones? Or are the failed items only items that try to be a set or unique, but no set or unique of that item exists?

May be it is strange, but YOU DON’T NEED EVEN ANY +MF PERCENT TO FIND UNIQUE ITEMS FROM ANY MONSTER IN GAME. :) MF is not magic, but it improves chances, 0%MF total doesn’t prevent any monster to drop unique items. For example, if you find 10 unique items from 100 Andy runs with 0%MF, then you can find 20 unique items from same amount of runs, but 200%MF. Numbers are not exact, of cause.

MF doesn’t change item’s chance to be “failed unique”. Failed unique item is the same as unique item. If game wants to drop unique Hydraskull (elite skull cap), then it drops rare Hydraskull with 3x durability. MF don’t affects this process, but with more MF you will find more 3x durability rare Hydraskulls.

Read item generation tutorial for more info:
http://www.diabloii.net/items/item-generation.shtml
It is outdated, but many things are the same in 1.09 and in 1.10.
Edit: errors corrections.

Stormie

16-03-2004, 04:33

For one, andariel chooses to drop fewer items than meph does regularly, which can be remedied by a full game.
Yes, in a 1 player game, she has 7 drop chances, with a 19/41 "no drop" chance for her first-kill drop, and a 19/67 "no drop" chance for her normal drop. With a bugged always first-kill drop, that gives a roughly a 0.46% of her dropping nothing at all.

Also, I've heard it said that if you manage to kill her while she's standing in exactly the wrong place (on top of a patch of fire or something like that), she won't drop.

Secondly, and this is only a guess on my part. Since andariel is bugged, she cant drop piles of gold/scrolls/potions, so my assumption is your "nothing" drop was failed gold/scrolls/potions etc.
I have no proof, its just a guess.
No, that's not how it works. Rather it is like this:

Normal drop
19/67 chance of no drop
11/67 chance of gold
19/67 chance of equipment (armor or weapon)
15/67 chance of "junk" (potion, scroll, key or ammo)
3/67 chance of "good" (gem, jewel, rune, charm, ring or amulet)

First kill drop
19/41 chance of no drop
19/41 chance of equipment (armor or weapon)
3/41 chance of "good" (gem, jewel, rune, charm, ring or amulet)

..so the gold and junk are taken out of the equation, leaving everything else (including "no drop") more likely, but it's not a "failed" gold drop, as such.

ogz

16-03-2004, 06:35

FinalGodSlayer

30-03-2004, 13:25

I've been playing D2 since it came out, including 2 years of BNet playing. I've never found an SOJ or indeed ever seen one (other than in a screenshot), so at the beginning of this year I decided to dedicate myself to finding one (in SP). I read Igor's SOJ find guide and have been running NM Andy with my 590%MF Necro for at least an hour a day for 3 months now.

I have actually had Charsi make a chain mail shirt for my dog composed entirely of Nagel Rings :scratch: and also killed Baal once by droping 23,764 complete Sigon's sets on his head and then nailing those tentacles to the floor with Tancred's Crowbills.... I outfitted the entire Barbarian army with Isenhearts set... which is why they lost - sorry about that!

Anyway I came to this thread a week or two ago, and triggered the bug, and I can definately say I see the difference - I have actually found 3 new rares she had never dropped before, which is a miracle in itself (I mule everything I find in Atma, just in case I ever start to play the game properly again)

However the amount of blues I get now is shocking - I run her in players 8, and usually get 4 blues. The double durability thing happens - but not on everything, for example, gloves don't seem to get it, but weapons always do. I haven't been bothered to inventory which get it or not, it would slow down my runs.

She regularly drops blues of items for which there are sets and uniques she could have droped - e.g. breastplates instead of Isenhearts. Which is a relief actually!

She also double-drops more often now - yesterday was two cathan's rings and a nagelring in the same drop. I once got 3 tancreds crowbills at once.

Sigh.

Anyway, I just wanted to say, I'm onto you guys - I know that there really is no such thing as an SOJ... it's a story perpetuated by the whole world just to make me jealous of you all! Not content with the chat gem, Blizzard weent one step further with the 12 Stones of Jordan sold to Merchants malarky, just to make the mythical SOJ more realistic! :rant:

But even though they don't exist - I'm gonna get one, and when I do, I'll maybe finally know that I'm truly, truly insane... :buddies:

Edit: I really need more sleep!

By the way, I was re-reading the SOJ find guide

One unique item cannot drop more then once in the same game. It is mean, that if you find Nagel, for ex, from someone in game, then the probability to find SOJ in that game greatly increases. Go to another mf places in that game and check your luck, may be even kill all act1 monsters!
It is VERY hard to test this game feature! Two times Andy dropped double unique rings for author of this text! One time it was Nagel and Manald, but second it was Nagel and ... Yes it was SOJ!
Theoretically, if you find three unique rings in one game from monsters from Mlvl 39 to Mlvl 52, then you will sure to find Manald, Nagel and SOJ.

So this means that whenever Andy drops a Nagel or Manald, I should really go on a killing spree round the other possible targets for SOJ, because the chance of an SOJ just jumped dramatically during that game?

Will test this this week.

igorpotapov

30-03-2004, 13:52

O! Very fun story! :thumbsup:

BTW, how many unique rings did you find?
For example, when I was searching for Tal’s Amulet I colleted 84 screenshots of rare Amulet!!! I spent about half months or even whole months for that runs. However it was so fun that I cannot forget it till the end of my life! And I found two SOJs during it! Although I found whole Arcana’s Set, witch is the most rare normal set! It isn’t good, but it was my dream, it was very fun for me!

Good Luck!

EDIT:

By the way, I was re-reading the SOJ find guide
So this means that whenever Andy drops a Nagel or Manald, I should really go on a killing spree round the other possible targets for SOJ, because the chance of an SOJ just jumped dramatically during that game?
Will test this this week.
Sorry, it was error of the “Item Generation Tutorial”. The soj drop chance remain the same, even it was drop another unique ring in that game.
My first version of the guide is too old. I’m writing second edition now. After it was finished I post it to Statistics Forum. However anyone can read its draft here (http://www.datascanch.ru/soj.txt) .

FinalGodSlayer

30-03-2004, 14:03

I'm guessing about 1-2 unique rings per day, for 3 months == 100-200 manalds and nagels.

Plus about 5 a day cathans or angelic, giving 450 set ones.

I have most of arcanna's except the hard to get amulet.

Amulets, I have Angelic, Cathan's, Civerb's, Iratha's, Tal's, Tancred's and Vidala's. Plus Crescent Moon and Nokozan.

Loads and loads of great mid-level stuff drops. I made a set of steel drums out of RockStoppers, and play them using Cranium Bashers :p

By the way, I'd just like to thank my Merc, "Pratham" for solo killing every single creature including Andy on players 8 NM - for every run I've done for 3 months. I'm only really there to teleport and cast decrepify :lol: I promise I'll put the BoTD in a weapon for him, just as soon as one with six sockets drops :-p

I just want an SOJ. My precious...

igorpotapov

30-03-2004, 14:33

100-200 unique rings!!! :-[ ]
OMG!
In the FAQ I say 141 unique rings gives a soj with 99% chance! It means you have last 1%! ;-) You are very lucky! And may be you found true perfect Nagel (75 AR, 30 MF)? I got one!!! ;-)

Anyway finding of a zod for BOTD if harder that a soj finding! At my playing life I found 4 (!) SOJs and only one high rune (jah).

Mine has classic Shaft+Gaze+Toll setup.
And how do you teleport and cast decr? You are necro with enigma? O! I never found Ber!

DarkY

30-03-2004, 15:03

found 1 soj in 109 at cow lvl, found 3 in 1.10
Best rune in 109 was gul
Best in 1.10 is LO

Totall ammount uniq rings found so far in 1.10
Nagel, 66 (4 of them perfect ar/mf)
Manald, 103
Soj, 3
Dwarf, 45
Raven, 78 (5X perfect dex, none perfect ar)
Bk, never found one
Carrion, found once, it dropped here: http://diablo.darky.nl/110/andy_drops_ring_again.jpg (game for this one, it dropped manald + dwarf in 1 drop :) )
Wisp, it dropped once in my game, but i let my friend id it... :(

FinalGodSlayer

30-03-2004, 15:43

Let me first say that since I gave up BNet to play SP, I decided to cheat and have as many runes as I wanted. This was a big decision for me as I'd never cheated on BNet, but and it's SP as I don't trade this doesn't really hurt anyone else - as you point out, no one is really likely to ever see a Zod in Sp. I usually state this earlier when I join a thread, sorry for not mentioning it earlier here.

However I have to find all the other eq myself, including the socketed items to put the runes in :scratch: Although I'm not officialy following the grail quest (finding one of every set and unique in the game) I am collecting a few of everything I find!

I am a necro, and my MF gear has enigma armour. My best Nagel is 27%MF/+59AR. Most of them I find are manalds. I don't keep more than a few of each item in my stash - there's no point if I don't trade. Just enough so my other characters can have one if they need.

At lunch, (40 mins play == about 30 runs) I got no unique rings (quite unusual for me) I got 3 cathans rings, and another Irathra's amulet. However the main thing today was charms, rare amulets and rare rings. Three (poor) rare rings, 2 rare amulets (one +1 ama skills / 13%MF) and a group of (non-mf) charms.

One thing I have noticed is the type and quality of drops seems to be seeded by restarting the application (rather than save+exit and then select char again) Must test this some more, but sometimes when I exit completely to run ATMA and then start the game up again, I get MUCH better drops consistently for the next 20 odd runs (until my stash fills with goodies and I have to use ATMA again).

As for "I'm 1% due to find a SOJ" - I told you already - they don't exist! :rant:

DarkY

30-03-2004, 16:14

One thing I have noticed is the type and quality of drops seems to be seeded by restarting the application (rather than save+exit and then select char again) Must test this some more, but sometimes when I exit completely to run ATMA and then start the game up again, I get MUCH better drops consistently for the next 20 odd runs (until my stash fills with goodies and I have to use ATMA again).

As for "I'm 1% due to find a SOJ" - I told you already - they don't exist! :rant:

i noticed this also, when starting d2 every day again... and first game always drops nice...

igorpotapov

30-03-2004, 16:39

I get good drops if I scratch my self-made amulet (in real life) or after reading Holy Bible! I’m not joking it is true! ;-)

I only mf naked because I only ever find good stuff when I'm naked.
*scratches chin thoughtfully*
Maybe I only find things when I'm naked because I always mf naked... hmmm...
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=127964

Cpkiller

03-04-2004, 00:43

well whoever told me about finishing all the quest thanks cause now i have the bug to. :clap: At first i didn't have it then I killed anderial and talk to warniv or what ever the NPC players name is and went to act two then i came back into another game and got the bug so i'm thinking it has a little to do with that and completing all the quest.

brutalforce

21-06-2004, 11:39

I just started playing again, and I'd like to comment on this thread.

I realize it is pretty old, but here goes anyways:

This is certainly a bug, as no mob is supposed to drop uniques/set/failed set items all the time. But it is also a nearly impossible-to-get-around bug. This is clearly Blizzard's fault. In some odd long months they have known about it and refused to fix it. They obviously know about it, and it is probably something they changed that created the bug in 1.1.

Blizzard caused and allowed the bug to stay, and it is impossible to get around.Therefore, one cannot accuse someone of "exploiting" it merely by killing Andariel again. People shouldn't be expected to stop killing an entire boss in the game just because Blizzard screwed up.

D Eediot

21-06-2004, 17:30

I did a few (50ish) runs and concluded that a lot of the rares that drop are NOT failed unique items. (some rares have triple duration, while others dont)

Which means haivng MF probably helps you getting a unique instead of a set/rare item from andy, even if she is bugged.

1)
Andariel may drop the following grades of items:
-Unique
-3x durability rare (failed unique)
-Set
-2x durability magic (failed set)
-Rare (i.e., just a 'normal' rare).

Getting normal durability rares in no way invalidates the drop bug.

2)
Set items are rarer than 'rare' items.
If you want to increase your chance of rare items dropping, DECREASE your mf. That will increase your chance of getting the lower end of the scale (rares) instead of getting (mostly) useless sets and (almost always) useless 2x durability magics. This only applies for this quest drop bug, because the lowest end of the quality scale is 'rare'.

3)
The quest drop bug applies to Duriel also.

EDIT:
Sorry I helped resurrect a thread that's been dead for a few months.. *looks at brutalforce* :lol: