MF Avenger: Is this possible?

[Xarxov]

Hi. I haven't posted here for a long time but i am a really a big fan of the paladins. Before the patch came out, i used to have a mf fanatic avenger but now its not possible anymore since u can't flash auras and whatnot. Anyway, i am trying to make a mf avenger but i have no idea what skills should i max and stuff as well as for gear. I have read cyrus' guide on avenger but i am confused whether to chose the one with max vengeance or without. I am trying to get a mf fanatic avenger with max mf or close to it, max damage to kill everything and have max resists. I am trying to get an eth 6 soc zerk to make botd and trying to get the zod and vex to make it. I know this weapon would be the best for this build since it has the best damage. The only problem i have is what should my gear be like? I have an eth skullders ptopazed and an almost perfect stealskull ptopazed, war travs, chance, goldwrap and the such but i dunno if they would be the "best" mf items or not. I want to be able to have the highest damage with the highest mf with all the best mf items if possible. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks.


Xarxov


P.S. I have looked in the whole forum from the search thing and couldn't find anything and i have looked at cyrus guide but it didn't explain that much in depth on mf.

[gzvernon]

upgrade everything to elite status through cube recipies except for eth skulders because etheral effects will be lost, will the self repair mod repair the skulders even if its broken? use the armor upgrade recipe for the belt,helm,anything with thats used for defense & weapon recipies for weapon upgrades you may have.

Just remember not to upgrade anything etheral, weapons excepted, or they will lose any effect in ED that it may recieve from being etheral (kindof a shame really) imagine a etheral elite Shaftstop,ooooooooo just makes me shudder.

[Xarxov]

I was talking about non ladder so i can't upgrade to elite status, lol :) I dunt think the eth skullders will ever get broken since it has 150 durability and it repairs every 5 secs i think so... ya :). hmmm i was wondering, would it be possible for me to get runes easily to make an eth botd zerk by any chance and get the mf equipment if i do make my character ladder?

[gzvernon]

you can upgrade all the normal items to expcetional, they are available to non ladder chars.

[Xarxov]

ya. but i was wondering if i do make it in ladder, would i be able to get high lvl runes such as zod and vex easily or would it be hard? Would prices of items be lower than non-ladder? I also need a name for my avenger lol. Can someone think of a name for my avenger? I am out of ideas :p

[shade449]

ya. but i was wondering if i do make it in ladder, would i be able to get high lvl runes such as zod and vex easily or would it be hard? Would prices of items be lower than non-ladder? I also need a name for my avenger lol. Can someone think of a name for my avenger? I am out of ideas :p
Ever since the recent dupes, ladder runes aren't worth nearly as much as they were before. However there still worth 4-5 times the amount in nonladder. Getting the zod and vex would be hard but the ethereal zerker would be much harder. there going for a couple of high runes these days. However I am on US West, so it might be different in your realm.

[Xarxov]

Ever since the recent dupes, ladder runes aren't worth nearly as much as they were before. However there still worth 4-5 times the amount in nonladder. Getting the zod and vex would be hard but the ethereal zerker would be much harder. there going for a couple of high runes these days. However I am on US West, so it might be different in your realm.

but i thought u could find runes on ladder very much frequently than in non-ladder, right?

[shade449]

but i thought u could find runes on ladder very much frequently than in non-ladder, right?
Nope, as far as I know they drop the same.

[gzvernon]

but playing a ladder chhar is much harder than a normal realm char,the enemies are tougher so thats the appeal of ladder chars because of ladder items. People are willing to go through the extra hardship to get those ladder elite items which can only be accessed by ladder chars & Singleplayer chars, & there is no fun anymore playing singleplayer since the only way to play multiplayer with SP chars is through open-bnet,that just sucks with all the hackers.

[Xarxov]

ahh...ok then. so now the non-ladder and ladder thing is solved, what mf gear should i get for my mf avenger? Also i need a name for my mf avenger too so if anyone can please help me, i will be really happy :)

[Xarxov]

can anyone plz help me with this?

[evild2player]

ladder and nonladder are exactly the same..just that they have diff items economy.. and people say its harder cause u had to start with nothing

[Tyrrel]

I suggest using Silence instead of Botd, if you want to get max MF. The damage is still extremely high, and it grants an additional 30% MF. Wealth or Enigma armor would be ideal, although the runes for Enigma are very rare.

My Avenger has fairly high MF, around 400 (including my merc, who kills faster than i do). There are a few things I could do to up it even more, but I'm not sure I could balance survival with magic finding just yet.

[gzvernon]

also runes can only be upgraded using the cube above thul on ladder, so non-ladder can only upgrade to thul & thats it, but if a ladder char has a abundance of lower runes they could get a much higher rune with enough runes & gems at his disposal. you would have to transmute ALOT of runes but atleast you CAN transmute if you want to.

[Xarxov]

hmm... interesting. I think i will make non-ladder cause i don't wanna keep on playing to get items that i need which will take me too long to get, lol. i have a life ;). Anyway, after some thorough thinking and research, i think my mf avenger will have this gear:

Gear:

harly with ptopaz 74%
enigma archon plate 99%
war travs 50%
upgraded exceptional chance guards 40%
upgraded exceptional goldwrap 30%
maras
eth botd zerk (if i can get one lol)
herald of zak with um

and stats:

Stats:

Str: enough to wear gear
Dex: enough to get max block
Vit: the rest
Ene: none

and finally the skills:

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lol i have no idea what skills i should max and what not for a mf avenger. I know it will one of the 2 skill distribution that cyrus had on his guide. I am leaning towards more damage rather than more defense but u guys tell me what u think should i get for skills-wise.

Btw, i think i would prefer eth botd zerk over a silence zerk because i don't think i should sacrifice the dual leech on the botd for 30% more mf heh. And also botd has higher damage and +30 to all attributes and all the other stuff on it.



P.S. Tyrel, tell me how u got 400 mf on ur avenger? I couldn't even get 300 with my mf zealot lol. Tell me what items u wear and also what skills u maxed.

[Tyrrel]

Well, I did say that my 400 included my merc. When I do runs I just whack everything once or twice and let him mop up.

Here's my gear:

Induril, cl 83 US East (non-ladder)

Amulet: Rare +2 to offensive skills: 6% MF
Helmet: Delerium 25% MF
Ring: Plain magic 22% MF
Ring: Plain magic 25% MF
Body: 4 pTopazed Great Hauberk 98% MF
Belt: Hsarus (+207 def)
Boots: Hsarus (+830 AR)
Gloves: Chance Guards 34% MF
Shield: Blackoak Luna (could replace with Rhyme)
Weapon: Bstar
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214 MF (239 w/ Rhyme)

My Merc:

Stealskull PTopaz: 71 MF
Enigma Balrog Skin: 83 MF
Silence War Pike: 30 MF
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184 MF

Total: 398 MF


Skills:

Vengence: Max
Holy Shield: Max
Conviction: Max
Resistances: 6 in each

I COULD replace th Delerium helmet with a 3 pTopaz spired helm, but I need SOME form of crowd control, which Mind Blast is amazing at providing. Plus, my def is already kind of shoddy when I put the Hauberk on instead of my Stone Archon plate. Same goes for the belt and boots, which are THE most underrated combination I have ever seen.

[Syphilis]

& there is no fun anymore playing singleplayer

SIMPLY WRONG

[Xarxov]

lol i think he is right about single player not being fun though in some ways. in single player u can only play with urself and no one else unless u have some friends who will be willing to play with u on tcp/ip or whatnot. But its really hard to find good enuf friends to play single player with nowadays csue every man is for himself lol. U would need ppl to interact with in diablo2 or its no fun lol. Thats my opinion.
Ok now back to the topic. 1 of the setups that cyrus had on his guide was that with max vengeance and 10 in all resists, which i was wondering, would this be a better plan than the other setup? The other setup being to have 1 in vengeance and max points into all the resists skills I mean, if i have a eth botd zerk (when i get one), in which setup would i be able to get maximum damage and still not get killed in hell? I want to have max resists, as well as have good enuf mf AND deal good damage :). Please help me out with this. Thank you.

Xarxov

[Khrys]

upgrade everything to elite status through cube recipies except for eth skulders because etheral effects will be lost

Uhm, yeah. Does that only work when it's upgraded from exceptional to elite, because I tried upgrading my perf ethereal chancies and found them to still be ethereal.

[gzvernon]

SIMPLY WRONG

when trying to trade items on the open-bnet, it does sucks playing Singleplayer because everyone & thier mothers have hacked items which makes legit items not very appealing when you can do 500,000 damage with minimal hacked gear on. Finding legit chars on open-bnet is VERY hard.

[gzvernon]

Uhm, yeah. Does that only work when it's upgraded from exceptional to elite, because I tried upgrading my perf ethereal chancies and found them to still be ethereal.

the etheral effect is there (appearance) but the 50% more defense is lost,for example i have a etheral Arreats Face in Singleplayer with 537 defense ,i upgraded it to elite & it lost the 50% bonus from being etheral it actually ended up with around 400 defense instead of going up.The only etheral items that seems be immune to this are weapons, i think it might be a bug with the recipie or it might be intentional to prevent chars being too powerful.

[Xarxov]

lol u guys. no one is answering MY post. I really need to start my avenger up but i need to know what gear setup and which setup for skills should i choose. By the time it takes someone to answer MY post, the price values for zod and vex would have decreased so much that i would be able to get them for a cracked sash :lol: :D :drink: :drink:

[Syphilis]

when trying to trade items on the open-bnet, it does sucks playing Singleplayer because everyone & thier mothers have hacked items which makes legit items not very appealing when you can do 500,000 damage with minimal hacked gear on. Finding legit chars on open-bnet is VERY hard.
and that's why you can have some friends playing the game with you (online or better with several computers at home to be able to speak while playing). when they are not there, you can just level alone without lag, without pk that ruins the game, without dupes, without ith, without disconnect, without desynch ... too much reasons

[Tyrrel]

lol u guys. no one is answering MY post. I really need to start my avenger up but i need to know what gear setup and which setup for skills should i choose. By the time it takes someone to answer MY post, the price values for zod and vex would have decreased so much that i would be able to get them for a cracked sash :lol: :D :drink: :drink:


I AM, at least. To answer your skills question, the end damage would be probably about the same if you maxed synergies and kept Vengence at 1. The trouble I see with that one is that Vengence also increases your AR (mine is over 10,000 now).

I made the Wealth runeword last night in a 434 def Wire Fleece, so that will add 4% more mf. I swapped with my merc, because I need the def more than he does. In 6 Eldrich/Shenk runs (30 mins or so), I rounded up a unique scythe and a ton of decent rares. It's tricky trying to get him to get the final shot in, but I am getting better at it. These two don't do well in the higher treasure class, but they are a lot faster to run than anything else, for me. I may try Meph now that I have the teleport ability from Enigma.

As for advice, here's mine. Try getting Vengence up to a decent level (10 is good), then max conviction. I did it the opposite way, and I've heard it's better the other way around. Sorcs and trap assassins will love you with maxed Convict, too.

[Xarxov]

But doesn't conviction lower the defense of the monsters if pvm or characters if pvp, which would mean that you can hit more times right? oh, and also i made a post like several posts up about the gear that i would use for my mf avenger. Would that be a good gear setup or is there any way i can improve it by any chance?

[gzvernon]

and that's why you can have some friends playing the game with you (online or better with several computers at home to be able to speak while playing). when they are not there, you can just level alone without lag, without pk that ruins the game, without dupes, without ith, without disconnect, without desynch ... too much reasons

well i played singleplayer chars ever since D2 came out,up until recently when 1.10 came out because i wanted to try out a ladder char & i have a DSL
connection, I dont have any friends or relatives that play so i was forced to try the open b.net to trade but with all he hacked chars out there it became very hard to find legit chars to trade or play games with & when i go into a trade screen with someone i THOUGHT was legit & put my BEST uber gear on the trade screen it paled in comparison to their stuff (which was all hacked to the brim) & they just laugh at me.So thats why i started a ladder char in hopes of getting away from hacked char & their hacked junk.

All & all i have very pleased with playing ladder chars & probably will keep playing them unless i lose my DSL connection.

[Xarxov]

god damn it. Stop talking about single player and help me with my stuff!!!....... pretty please :)

[gzvernon]

god damn it. Stop talking about single player and help me with my stuff!!!....... pretty please :)

sorry my bad

[Xarxov]

omg i think i know a gear and skill setup that might be really ideal for my mf avenger. here it goes:

Gear:

eth botd zerk
enigma archon plate
chance
war travs
goldwrap
hoz umed
harly ptopazed
ravenfrost
high life leech ring with resists
maras

9x combat charms
anni
10x 7% mfscs

ok now with this, u can get about +19 to combat skills and about +10 to the other trees.

enigma gives +2 to all skills
hoz gives +2 to pally skills and +2 to combat skills
harly gives +2 to all skills
maras gives +2 to all skills

thats +10 to combat skills plus the other +10 from the charms to give +20 to combat skills.

ok now to the actual skills:

Skills:-

1 vengeance (will be lvl 20 with all the +skills)
1 holy sheild (will be lvl 20 with all the +skills)
20 cold resist aura
20 fire resist aura
20 lightning resist aura
20 conviction

so what do u guys think of this setup? i can get lvl 20 for all 6 skills with this setup :)

[gzvernon]

omg i think i know a gear and skill setup that might be really ideal for my mf avenger. here it goes:

Gear:

eth botd zerk
enigma archon plate
chance
war travs
goldwrap
hoz umed
harly ptopazed
ravenfrost
high life leech ring with resists
maras

9x combat charms
anni
10x 7% mfscs

ok now with this, u can get about +19 to combat skills and about +10 to the other trees.

enigma gives +2 to all skills
hoz gives +2 to pally skills and +2 to combat skills
harly gives +2 to all skills
maras gives +2 to all skills

thats +10 to combat skills plus the other +10 from the charms to give +20 to combat skills.

ok now to the actual skills:

Skills:-

1 vengeance (will be lvl 20 with all the +skills)
1 holy sheild (will be lvl 20 with all the +skills)
20 cold resist aura
20 fire resist aura
20 lightning resist aura
20 conviction

so what do u guys think of this setup? i can get lvl 20 for all 6 skills with this setup :)


now the hard part, getting all that stuff

[Xarxov]

ya i know but what u think of the gear setup? Do u think this is possible or not?

[gzvernon]

ya i know but what u think of the gear setup? Do u think this is possible or not?
possibly ,just want to upgrade as much as possible to get as much defense as possible

[Xarxov]

ok cool i will do that. Btw 1 question. How much TOTAL resists do u need in hell if u would want max resists?

[gzvernon]

ok cool i will do that. Btw 1 question. How much TOTAL resists do u need in hell if u would want max resists?

assuming u get all 3 anya quests (10% for each difficulty) giving 30 resists bring your resists down to -70 (100-30) in hell & want to get 95% resist all, you would need 165% resists easily done with the right equipment.

[gzvernon]

getting that Anni charm wont be a easy task.

[Xarxov]

i meant how much resists would i need to get like 75/75/75/75 resists in hell from gear, not including any max resists boost from the resist auras?

[Rascargil]

you know, while dreaming for an eth Botd, why not settle for a Cranebeak? decent weap with 50% mf max even

[Xarxov]

whats a cranebeak?