Vote: What Kind of PvP System for Diablo III?
Posted 5 December 2011 by FluxDiablo III does not allow any nonconsensual 
PvP. If you want to fight, you must join an Arena game where you will deathmatch to your heart’s content against other eager duelers. Though Blizzard seems to be treating the Arena as a minor part of the game, and they keep insisting there’s no way it could ever be esport-ish, I think they’re underestimating the interest we’ll see in their PvP mode, and I base this on the fact that everyone I know who played the Arena demo at Blizzcon 2010 or 2011 absolutely loved it.
Arena expectations aside (thought that would be another good vote, someday), what do you think of how Diablo III is handling PvP? Do you love the new Arena mode? Do you wish you could PvP in regular games? Or are you a straight up old school PK and you wish the Barbarian had brought the D2 spank ‘n gank system along with him? If you need it, check out the freshly-updated Diablo Player Killing article for a refresher on how PKing was handled in D1 and D2, and then pick the option that best represents your opinion, and we’ll try to iron out some community consensus.
This vote is partly spurred by the mention of a PK switch in a recent editorial, so thanks to that for the inspiration. I’m pretty sure we ran a similar vote a couple of years ago, but since the old poll posts didn’t import from the old news script into our current Word Press system, I can’t easily point to the archives and say yes or no. In any event, it would have been more than two years ago, before the Battle Arena was even announced, so we might as well vote on the issue now that it’s non-hypothetical.
What kind of PvP system would you like in Diablo 3?
- 4) D3 style; Arenas with no normal game PvP. (44%, 1,489 Votes)
- 3) PvP in normal games, if set on game creation. (21%, 715 Votes)
- 5) No interest. Remove PvP from game entirely, for all I care. (20%, 661 Votes)
- 2) D2 style; no friendly fire, but PK switch in-game. (11%, 376 Votes)
- 1) D1 style PK switch, plus friendly fire. (4%, 109 Votes)
Total Voters: 3,348
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The last vote asked what you guys thought of the look of Azmodan, as revealed during Blizzcon 2011. I’m always surprised when as critically-discerning a bunch as the readers of this site all like something — but I wasn’t terribly surprised in this instance, since I thought Azmodan looked pretty cool myself.
Do you like the look and style of Azmodan?
- 1) I think he’s awesome. Perfect. (55%, 2,613 Votes)
- 2) Good, but could be better. (28%, 1,302 Votes)
- 4) Lame design. Cheesy. Not scary. Etc. (10%, 451 Votes)
- 3) Not so good. I have objections. (7%, 345 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,711
Can’t believe I’m having to do this for Flux (of all of the online writers these days, he usually gets this spot on), here’s the link for the Arena
:
http://www.diablowiki.net/Arena
(as [wik]Arena[/wik] doesn’t work)
I have no interest in PvP. And this poll got me to think, if PvP is removed entirely, then the peeps who kept saying “omg D3 is Pay to win!!!!” coz of the RMAH…… how would they maintain the same arguement? how do u define when when u cant compete with each other? I am guessing it is the reason why alot of ppl does not entirely oppose to RMAH, coz they dont intend to compete with anyone.
Maybe you can have a competition and see who can kill the fastest by posing kill videos on youtube or something and compete against each other……..
seansky, have you considered the OMG YOU SUCKZ N00b DPS MOAR factor?
Take a look at WoW, even without PvP there are plenty of people that try to show off and compare epeenage.
Enter the RMAH in D3. Epeen can now be charged with a credit card. Imagine how this will affect ‘General chat.’ Gear (which has been progressively easier to get in Blizzard games) now requires no gameplay whatsoever to acquire. The minor annoyance of ‘General chat’ arguments of superiority have the potential to explode as no effort is actually required anymore.
I would encourage you to try to imagine going into a game as a casual player who does not wish to use RMAH. Lets say you are equally skilled to one or more of the people in the game, but because you don’t use RMAH your gear is inferior. Would you appreciate comments such as OMG N00B YOUR GEAR SUCKZORZ LEAVE, GET OUTTA HERE N00B. Just because PvP isn’t allowed, doesnt mean there won’t be competition.
I realize this uses WoW as an example, but the RMAH is essentially an expanded WoW feature.
I think that people who ignore elitism as a problem are allowing the wool to be pulled over their eyes. Allowing gear to be purchased and removing the need for any effort from the game removes accomplishment from the game as well. Both for the person that purchased the gear to some extent, and for the person who wanted to go through the difficulty of earning their gear.
I guess in closing, I would say its quite naive to say there is no competition without PvP. The RMAH only gives degradation of community an easier path in that sense.
Well there is a potential of that happening, but i never really see it as a big factor. I probly will not be using RMAH at all. I will be playing with friends, real friends that will not be yelling at me for less than awesome gear, and instead help me equip, while i do the same for them if it is the other way around. I probly wont, ever, play public. Face it, even if my gear is awesome, i wont find it enjoyable playing with pricks that measure u by ur epeen size. I have played online games that require 25 players bonding and team work together, which u cant substitute with easily. Playing a game of 4 players, and u can constantly change who u team with, dont seem like a problem at all.
The elitism will still be there even if RMAH does not exist. It will still be there even if everyone uses and have the same gear. It is a problem of the community, not the feature in the game. If everyone has the same DPS, someone would “omg u run so sucky slow?!?!??!” or “omg ur town trip takes so F***ing long???? dude u sux!!!!”
Just bear in mind elitism is not competition, as u can be indifferent about elitism, such as put them on mute, play private games, play with ppl u know has no ego complex…….
How about WoW non-PVP server style?
Arena + battlefield (goals other than just amassing kills) + consensual 1-on-1 duels at any time.
i would vote for this:
arena
+
in normal games “this person challanged you to a 1v1 (or 2v2 1v2 1v3). do you want fight?”
+
choice of D2-PK on/off
I considered putting in a bunch more options with various permutations of PK switch, full-world PVP, etc, but I figured too many options would just dilute the results, and we’d still have a bunch of, “you didn’t offer a vote with my personal ideal PvP scenario” comments no matter now many options there were.
Always a balance between making enough choices to be useful, and not so many that it gets hair-splitting.
Plus, if people didn’t have a chance to complain about the poll options exactly matching the votes in their heads, what would we do in comments?
I would have voted for both supervised D3-style and wild D2-style PvPs, but since I had to choose… I took the D2 answer since it’s not in the game right now.
d3 style
and wipe after every patch
actually yes… sort of battleground would be perfect ****.
Schaefer style! (i.e. Diablo 2)
Not good enough options!
This is the best option and I’m sure most people agree:
Diablo 3 style arena and battleground AND the option to DUEL in a normal game.
Basically you right click someones name and challenge to a duel, the other player can then decide accept or deny.
Everyone win.
I agree with this guy completely! Please add this option to the poll, at least consider it!
Indeed. Option 3 + 4.
And where should you be allowed to duel? There is no “in combat” concept in Diablo 3, so you can’t use that. If you allowed duelling everywhere, you could get that popup at extremely inconvenient times and in a game as fast as Diablo, that could very well mean death.
If you allow it in town only, that would look rather silly, especially if all towns are as cramped as the one we’ve seen so far. So how about a small area in town dedicated for that stuff? Well you may just as well use the duel option for the arena (I understand they want to implement that).
Expanding on that, imagine the following scenario: 3 people in a public game, killing stuff in a dungeon. Nr4 joins the game asking for a duel (must… restrain… from… screw it: “DUEL?!? XD”). You got the picture in your head? Okay, if you don’t realise the problem with that, I’ll explain it to you: The people in the game are already doing what they want to do, which is killing monsters, doing quests, defeating bosses, or in short: PvE. They do not want to duel, the chance that one of them actually wanted to duel but decided to play a PvE game instead is rather small. The fourth player however does not want to PvE and he is generally just being a nuisance or “pain in the ass” to the other players, which generally goes along with a strong sense of “assholishness” once he realises they don’t want to duel, so he sticks around shouting profanity until he gets booted. A great solution to that problem? Don’t allow PvP in PvE!
The point is that no, you cannot make everyone happy (or “win”) and offering a host of options at game creation for a tiny part of the playerbase (such as enabling PK, what sane person would choose a gametype that allowed other players to enter and kill him?) is not a sensible solution. Sure it’s just an option, but an option that a barely measurable portion of your playerbase uses for a gametype you don’t actually support is a bad option.
Clear your minds of D2, if you really think about it, the “PvP” in that game never really made any sense, you just got used to it.
Remove it all together. We could could have another act to play in instead of wasting time on pvp that is really an afterthought in Diablo.
Agree. Think about how much time will be wasted, and how many skills will be NERFed for PvM, in order to ‘balance’ PVP.
This isn’t WoW. The D3 devs have said they will not be nerfing PvM to make PvP work, and they can balance the skills separately in the different game modes, if need be.
I also enjoy the fact that everyone who doesn’t care about PvP in D3… hasn’t played it yet. A few Arena games will convert all doubters. Don’t be so wedded to the wisdom of your virginity on this issue. Trust the judgment of the people who have actually played the game.
I like current style. But it needs Duel option. Something like “Click on player, choose Duel, if he accepts, you fight. When one of the dueling players has 1HP or less, his enemy wins. Nobody dies tho”
EDIT: I see some guys already have the same opinion. Soz.
These polls don’t tell us anything. Dii.net is but a small segment of the Diablo community, and the people who did like PKing, the grittier art direction of the original Diablo, etc., have already been scared off. They have already jumped ship, in other words. I don’t blame them since the Diablo series has effectively been turned into World of Warcraft lite.
Oh, and:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=668197
This poll was already done back when people didn’t fully realize that Diablo 3 was going to be one giant fail.
You mean it was held before people found out there was going to be an arena so there was no other option to consider and those results are far more invalid than these… If you hate this game so much then why are you posting here or even following the site at all anymore? If people like you are “scared off” from Diablo 3 because you preceive it as a failure, then good riddance because it is full of awesome and you are a failure at life for not recognizing it as such… you can gtfo now…
You seem like a moron, so it’s unsurprising that you like the new direction the Diablo series is going.
Moreover, you’re not making any point. That PK/Hardcore poll was held before many hardcore Diablo fans jumped ship. Now that we know Diablo 3 is going to be WoW lite, the true Diablo fans have left. All that’s left are the Blizzard nuthuggers who would buy a box filled with dog feces if it sported the Blizzard logo.
To clarify, by true Diablo fans I mean the players who had no problems the PKing aspects of Diablo. PKing is part of Diablo, brah. It was in Diablo. It was in Diablo 2. But all of a sudden, now that Blizzard North is no more, and now that some WoW nut is head of the Diablo development team, now there’s no PKing.
I played Diablo for years and I don’t recall people whining about PKing per se. So you guys are either new to Diablo or you’re WoW drones who have taken a recent interest in Diablo for some reason.
There’s a split between the old school Blizzard fans and the new Blizzard fans. The old school Blizzard fans (Blizzard North fans) don’t like this anime, no PKing, World of Warcraft story **** with dragons.
The only reason I check Diabloii.net for news every so often is to watch the train wreck unfold.
You know, I am actually hoping you are a troll, because if this how you really are, then I weep for the future of humanity. Surely, there has to be biological limit to stupidity though you seem inclined to push it beyond its breaking point.
Your post is so presumtious, egocentric and just plain ol´ dumb, that replying to you is waste of breath, or in this case, virtual ink.
dude chill… how arrogant can a person be? He is just frustrated at the direction the game is going with the RMAH, pvp- and the art style. Not everyone likes this you know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WQGOAM9U4Y
have some coffee :d
But you replied anyways because you’re a pompous pseudo-intellectual asshat who thinks his/her opinion is gospel.
Why would I give a crap about what some idiot in pajamas who’s dwelling in his mother’s basement thinks about my opinion of a video game? I just stated my opinion and if you don’t like it, then fine; and if you do like it, then fine. But don’t give me the holier than thou ****.
And I hope you’re intelligent to understand that your entire post is self-referentially incoherent.
I’m noticing, in this thread and some other recent ones, that the angriest and most immature people are arguing FOR PKing.
I don’t just mean that the people arguing for it sound like 13 y/os who get pushed around in gym class and want to get revenge from the safety of an online avatar, like Matt here. I mean that no one sounds like this (angry, insulting, childish, etc) in arguments about anything else in the game. People get pretty riled up about RMAH and online-only DRM, etc. But no one sounds like theyr’e throwing a temper tantrum in the process of debating those points.
This is probably useful info, as it grants some insight into the mind set of people who grief/pk/etc.
It’s easy not to get riled up when one of your favorite game series is going your way. And you must not get around much, because I see people from both sides on every Diablo issue making immature posts.
Secondly, you must have a problem reading because Scorch Hellfire was the one telling me to “gtfo,” “good riddance,” and “you’re a failure at life” simply because my opinion differed from his. I was only replying to him in a manner that he’d understand.
Is there anything else you need help with, Flux? Like, for instance, forming logical arguments and creating actually interesting news? What about shining that big forehead of yours? I bet the kids in your gym class had a field day with that.
Hey, if Diablo were never developed, do you think Flux would have ended up as a janitor?
first of, successful troll is successful. Congradulations, you have officialy scr**** part of this thread.
Second of all, Matt you´re an assh***. It had to be said.
Thirdly, the reason that people got so riled up is because you presented your views in very immature, I am correct and anybody who says otherwise is clearly not a “real” (ridicoulus concept) Diablo fan, which is not healthy for any sort of debate. People argue their points points all the time, and thats good, great even, community where everybody think exactly the same is a terrible community, difference in opinions spurrs debates, which usually results in improvements. Imagine if the devs went with the very first idea they had, that would be a wreck of a game. The reason why I am explaining this to you is because you seem to fail to release general concepts of debate and instead cling to your opinion without ever considering somebody elses, whish is what got people aggravated in the first place. I am writing this is just in case my first sentence in incorrect, and you are misguided person angrily trying to argue his stance on a game.
Matt you’re annoying the crap out of everyone with your selfrightousness and need to be right.
go away.