The “Wimpy” Male Wizard and D3’s Character Poses

Posted 4th Mar 2010 10:28 AM by Flux

Given the surprising outburst of (largely negative) criticism the reveal of the in-game version of the male Wizard has generated, I thought it would be interesting to take a closer look. The shot to the right shows a comparison between the concept art and the final in-game model, and looking at those, you can see what the, “he looks wimpy” complaints are about, even if you don’t fully agree with them.

The face is different, but the real change is in the pose and angle of his head. The concept art version looks haughty and rebellious. The in-game version looks is meek and submissive, almost entirely due to his lowered, averted gaze. The soft face and narrow jaw don’t exactly add to his macho quotient either, especially compared to the broad, strong jaw in the concept art. That, taken with the downcast eyes, gives the male wizard a tame, emo sort of vibe, which seems at odds with the game fiction, even aside from the latent homophobia, or at least effeminate-ophobia, it’s triggering in so many (younger male?) fans.

With that in mind, it’s interesting to note that most of the in-game animation models are fairly similar to the male Wizard, in their pose and eye-line. Click the linked names to see screenshots of them, or head to Blizzard’s site to see them in full animated form.

  • Male wizard: Looking down and off to one side.
  • Female Wizard: Looking down, but has a smirk that gives her a sly, self-confident vibe.
  • Male Barbarian: His head is down, but he appears to be peering up from beneath his heavy brow. Plus he’s so buff and armored that he’d look powerful in any pose.
  • Female Barbarian: Head lowered, but glaring from beneath her helm. Seems sullen and fierce.
  • Male Monk: Avidly studying your kneecaps. Probably to decide which one to shatter first.
  • Female Monk: Looking at the floor to the side. She probably hasn’t made eye contact with a man since puberty anyway, given her pronounced female characteristics.
  • Male Witch Doctor: The only character making clear, definite eye contact.Which is ironic, given that he’s got the worst, hunched posture of any character in the game.
  • Female Witch Doctor: No in-game animated model yet displayed. There’s plenty of concept art, though.

That’s a total of 7 character versions, and both Wizards and Monks are looking for a dropped contact, while the Barbs and the male WD have their heads lowered, but appear to be looking up from under their eyebrows. So… why do all of the characters have their heads lowered? None of them are in this sort of pose in their numerous pieces of concept art, which probably means there’s some technical reason for it. Perhaps raised faces look weird from the isometric PoV?

That raises another useful point: we’re never going to see our characters from these head on angles in the game, barring some sort of “zoom in to view your gear” option. We’ll be viewing them from the overhead, isometric PoV.99% of the time, and the angle of their heads, much less their eyes, will never be visible from that angle. The male wizard was playable in the Blizzcon 2009 demo, and if anyone complained about him looking wimpy, I didn’t hear about it. This is a controversy entirely based on the new in-game view that no one objected to or even noticed when they were actually playing the game.


Finally, Bashiok replied to to some male Wizard hate today, and he doesn’t seem real amused by the criticism:

Blizzard Quote:

Is this a joke just like the Archivist? I hope so, this model should be redone by someone who worked on D1 or D2.

Guys, the female version looks tougher then this kiddo. He doesn’t even dare to look you in the eyes. Look, he’s practising his belly dancing act too >.<


Bashiok: I hate ... so much about the things that you choose to be.

So how does someone learn the awesome arts of wizardry within 16 years? Cause apparently this kid did.


Bashiok: You could read the text on the site and find out.




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Wheeze
Posted 04, Mar 2010 01:58 PM
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Hehe, you can’t blame Bashiok being a little snappy. When there’s no new info he’s allowed to release the fans complain they aren’t seeing anything new. When he has something to show which looks pretty cool, it’s immediately pissed on.

The only criticism I had was that the female wizard’s texturing seems a little less detailed in comparison.. or perhaps im mistaken? It’s a subtle difference either way.  And, not that it’ll matter much ingame.

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alidrmz
Posted 05, Jun 2010 05:13 PM
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Thanks for information.
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Baalbot9000 [Unregistered]
Posted 04, Mar 2010 02:11 PM
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“Bashiok: You could read the text on the site and find out.”

How ironic that the link he is referring to has the cool concept male Wizard on it.

Or maybe it’s just coincidental…

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Risingred
Posted 04, Mar 2010 03:35 PM
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Same thing I thought. Nobody peed themselves with nerdrage when the gamescom footage came out of lots of people playing the male weezard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-yb5mPv2zQ

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Blast Kid [Unregistered]
Posted 04, Mar 2010 04:47 PM
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Bashiok’s first response is a quote from the American version of ‘The Office’.

Video Clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5d5jxJ5vbM

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ArelMCII [Unregistered]
Posted 04, Mar 2010 05:01 PM
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Really the only criticisms I have are the pose and the hat. I’m kinda digging the whole scifi-fantasy-Gackt vibe.

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Ghoulz
Posted 04, Mar 2010 05:03 PM
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All the male wizzy needs are long pointy ears.

But he looks pretty badass imo. Reminds me of the necromancer a little.

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CCCenturion
Posted 04, Mar 2010 05:17 PM
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I think the characters all look great, but they could have done a better job with their poses.  The male wizard looks bored, or sad, and the two barbs just look tired.  I’d like to see them in more battle-ready stances, like the monks.  The WD has a crazy look, which is unnerving and hence awesome; the female wizard looks sassy and confident.

I could put it this way: the barbs and the male wizard look like softcore characters in the D2 character select page, but the monks, WD, and female wizard look like hardcore characters, ready to kick some ass.  The hardcore poses are definitely cooler.

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Matt [Unregistered]
Posted 04, Mar 2010 05:31 PM
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I have to stop and wonder why some manginas feel the need to call any man who doesn’t like to see part of their (or another man’s) identity stripped away via feminization homophobes and effeminophobes. I suppose I should attribute that to all the feminist propaganda that now pollutes the media.

So, we have a female wizard who acts more masculine than MALE wizard…

A male wizard who acts more feminine than a FEMALE wizard…

Do you see the problem?

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Kunzaito
Posted 04, Mar 2010 05:32 PM
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1. How does a video game character's pose strip away your identity?

2. Technically, a video game character isn't a man; at the very most his identity is a collection of the traits his designers choose to give him.

3. So since clearly part of his given "identity" is that he's a bit fancy, wouldn't complaining about it until they remove that trait be more accurately "stripping part of another man's identity?"

4. You've been able to determine the gender roles and social behavior of two video game avatars based solely on a 1-second animation of them swaying? Have you ever considered a career in profiling, because that's impressive.

 
Faker
Posted 04, Mar 2010 06:07 PM
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You went through a lot of trouble numbering your “points,” despite them being stupid ones… Is that the reason you numbered them? To give the impression that you have a strong argument? In any case…
“1. How does a video game character's pose strip away your identity?”

You misunderstood me. Masculinity is something all men have more or less of. Part of a man’s identity is his masculinity. Likewise, part of a woman’s identity is her femininity. I was simply saying that Blizz went through a lot of trouble stripping the male wizard of anything masculine, which I find a bit weird considering he’s a man. I’m surprised they didn’t give him breasts, honestly.
“1. How does a video game character's pose strip away your identity?”

Again, your third-grader education has failed you. Forgive me for getting a little angry, but it’s annoying when somebody chimes in with a bunch of irrelevant points based on poor reading. I never wrote anything about my identity being stripped… As for the wizard’s pose: it’s not masculine. He’s sticking out his pelvis and shaking his hips, drawing attention to them. Is he a belly dancer? Now look at the female wizard… you don’t see any of that. In fact, the female wizard looks more assertive and powerful than the male wizard.

“Technically, a video game character isn't a man”
Of course, but that’s a moot point… It doesn’t change the fact that this video game depiction of a male wizard is anything but masculine.

As for everything else you wrote… completely irrelevant.

 
Kunzaito
Posted 04, Mar 2010 07:21 PM
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My, you're an angry one.

It's right there in your post:

any man who doesn’t like to see part of their (or another man’s) identity stripped away
It may not have been what you meant to say, which you cleared up in your response, but it's what I was replying to.

I don't know when we all got together and decided what qualities make a man and what don't. Part of a man's identity may indeed be his "masculinity," but the thing that makes it an identity and not a trait is its degree. Men must have a penis - must they have facial hair, or big muscles? No.

By the way, the pose that he uses is pretty much the same one the necromancer uses in D2. Was that unmasculine? I don't remember anyone remarking on that then. Of course it's exaggerated - the character has to seem do be doing SOMETHING when standing still from a distance.

By the way, it really helps your argument when you dismiss what I say as "irrelevant," include attacks on my education (wut?) and the framing of my points, and give minuses to all the posts saying something you don't agree with (oh, and boost your own while you're at it). Keep it right up.

 
mrschofield
Posted 04, Mar 2010 08:03 PM
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@Matt/Faker/whatever other usernames you have to give posts more thumbs downs: I think your homophobia is classic self-hating. I mean, seriously, why are you on this huge rant about how Blizzard doesn't hold the same preconceptions about males and masculinity that you do? How pathetic is it to not only be a bigot, but then to apply that bigotry to a damn VIDEO GAME?

 
Faker
Posted 04, Mar 2010 09:33 PM
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“My, you're an angry one.”

My, you’re an ignorant one.
Even though you’ve quoted my post you still don’t understand it. Hint: read what is inside the parenthesis. “Another man” would be in regards to the male wizard. /facepalm

“I don't know when we all got together and decided what qualities make a man and what don't.”
You must be joking. Compared to women, men have more of the hormone testosterone, which is why they are generally taller, stronger, and hairier than women. Now look at the male wizard. He has very small bone structure, delicate facial features, no facial hair, and a skinny neck. His stance is also very odd for a man, sticking his pelvis out and shaking his hips. I don’t know if you know this, but in addition to looking different, men and women also move differently; and the male wizard does not move like a man would, unless we’re talking about Freddie Mercury.
“Men must have a penis - must they have facial hair, or big muscles? No.”
No, but they are considered secondary sex characteristics that distinguish men from women. You might want to read this article and wise up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sex_characteristic#In_humans

“By the way, the pose that he uses is pretty much the same one the necromancer uses in D2. Was that unmasculine?”
Maybe it was? What’s your point? Do you have me confused with a Necromancer groupie?
“Of course it's exaggerated - the character has to seem do be doing SOMETHING when standing still from a distance.”

You still don’t understand. Wow…
I don’t have a problem with necessary exaggerated movement. My problem lies with what the male wizard is moving, especially when compared to how and what the female wizard is moving.

 
Faker
Posted 04, Mar 2010 10:06 PM
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"@Matt/Faker/whatever other usernames you have to give posts more thumbs downs:"

Hey doofus: you can't vote on people's posts with an unregistered username, so calm down.

"I think your homophobia is classic self-hating."

I'm not gay, so I don't see how I could be self-hating, nor do I have a fear of gays either. I just think gay behavior disgusting.

"I mean, seriously, why are you on this huge rant about how Blizzard doesn't hold the same preconceptions about males and masculinity that you do?"

Preconceptions? You must be joking. You do know that men have much more testosterone than women, right? OK, now go read up o how testosterone affects the human body, and then come back to me.

 
Shnissigah
Posted 04, Mar 2010 10:17 PM
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Don't you just love the way Diablo 3 brings people together?

 
Flux
Posted 05, Mar 2010 02:37 AM
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I think it's cute how he knows just enough big words and pseudo-psychology to try and justify/explain his automatic insecure 12 y/o boy reaction. If only some of those mental gymnastics went into analyzing his own insecurities and the ways they manifest in his evaluations of traditional gender roles and "masculine" behaviors?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibAe8ArmvwY

 
Faker
Posted 08, Mar 2010 12:01 AM
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Once again, Flux shows us how much of a mangina he is by linking a sexist Youtube video of some young men speeding around, with a bunch of women who observed them presuming that all men who speed must have small penises. Apparently, NASCAR drivers must have the smallest penises of all. Hey wait a second... if somebody speeds, why do people assume it's because they're compensating? Could it be that they're just confident with their ability to drive? By the way, the ad is sexist because it only targets men who speed (how about women?) -- and it sends a childish message. The message being small penis = bad (all you men with small penises better go kill yourselves). And if you speed, then that means you have a small penis... I wonder what would happen if there was a similar ad that targeted women's insecurities, such as being overweight, ugly, having small breasts, loose vagina, etc. Such an ad would most certainly be labeled sexist and pressured off T.V. Also, the ad sends the ignorant and misguided message that men are the ultimate problem of the world and that women are always the victims. Give me a break. Lastly, evidently, Flux thinks having a small penis (or being accused of having one) is the worst thing in the world, and yet, he implies that I'm the one with the 12-year old mentality. What a maroon. I wonder what Flux thinks of people who have no penis...(women)... They must be the most insecure people of all... I believe Freud called that penis envy. Perhaps Flux is a closeted misogynist? I guess every man who has a small penis should just go commit suicide, despite whether or not they obey the speed limit.

 
Faker
Posted 08, Mar 2010 12:13 AM
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I also find it interesting how Flux presents absolutely no argument. He just implies that I have a small penis and goes back to shining that whopper of a forehead he has (have you seen this kid's head?). I mean that both literally and figuratively. http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/User:Flux Yeah, Flux, you're real progressive with those anti-masculine views you have, claiming that masculine behaviors are learned. If you took some basic psychology classes in college (did you even go to college?), then you'd know that many masculine and feminine behaviors have been proven to originate from the hormones testosterone and estrogen.

 
Flux
Posted 10, Mar 2010 01:36 PM
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Besides the fact that you're clearly just trolling now, your overreactions and endless diversionary arguments are simply proving the points made against you. "Protests too much..." That said, I did get some laughs out of your efforts to absurdly overanalyze a humorous commercial. I don't think anyone (other than maybe some small penis men?) really believe that male insecurity stems entirely from that issue. The real issue is how men who are insecure about their masculinity act out. They're easily upset by any non-traditional male behavior (gay or effeminate), they burn rubber when driving, they drink too much or curse too loudly, they choose to be "politically incorrect" in mixed company. What do they do in internet forums? Fairly typical examples include overposting/trolling to draw attention to themselves, attempting to argue a bit above their intellectual level, launching ad hominem attacks, and just generally accusing others of having the very features and traits they most fear in themselves. It would be funny if someone here were providing a case study in these behaviors...

 
Faker
Posted 12, Mar 2010 04:52 AM
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“Besides the fact that you're clearly just trolling now, your overreactions and endless diversionary arguments are simply proving the points made against you.” This is pure rhetoric. My arguments are not diversionary (diversionary from what, your forehead?), nor do they prove any of your points. When you do actually come up with a point though, then feel free to post it. “That said, I did get some laughs out of your efforts to absurdly overanalyze a humorous commercial.” Whether or not the commercial is humorous or was meant to be humorous doesn’t distract from the fact that it’s sexist against men. To iterate, the commercial sends the message that most if not all men are inherently insecure so they compensate by acting “manly” (speeding in this instance), which is absurd. Men act manly because they’re men. Get over it. Further, the commercial preys on the fear that many men have that their penis is too small. The commercial says, if you speed… then your penis is probably small, and women will laugh at you. If that’s not sexist, then I don’t know what is. If a similar commercial were made except that it targeted the insecurities of women (breast size), then you’d have woman groups from all over protesting to have the commercial removed from television. Not to mention, they’d probably be asking why a commercial talking about speeding would only be targeting women. “I don't think anyone (other than maybe some small penis men?) really believe that male insecurity stems entirely from that issue.” You must not get out much then. Many people think insecure men men have small penises, and they hate them for it (which is unfortunate). That’s why the commercial you had posted exists… and why you immaturely implied that my penis is small. As for the latter, I have to ask, why would you even be thinking about my penis? Do you like them big, Flux? “They're easily upset by any non-traditional male behavior (gay or effeminate), they burn rubber when driving, they drink too much or curse too loudly, they choose to be "politically incorrect" in mixed company.” This kind of pseudo-psychoanalysis always makes me chuckle. Everyone thinks they’re Freud. To paraphrase Flux's ingenious argument, if you have any sort of problem with homosexuality or the feminization of men, THEN you MUST be insecure about your masculinity. What people like Flux are doing is using scare tactics to pressure people into adopting their own unreasonable beliefs. Accusing me of being a closeted homosexual is the funniest of all though because you’d think somebody who seemingly champions homosexuality and the feminization of men would be the last to use gay as derogatory term. “What do they do in internet forums? Fairly typical examples include overposting/trolling to draw attention to themselves, attempting to argue a bit above their intellectual level, launching ad hominem attacks, and just generally accusing others of having the very features and traits they most fear in themselves.” Once again, here you go attacking my masculinity because I don’t agree with homosexual behavior and the feminization of men. It doesn’t get any more childish than that. And I find it quite amusing that somebody who “blogs” about video games for a living (quite poorly too I might add) would actually attempt to insult somebody else’s intelligence. Look, bud, if you’re such a genius, then why am I the one making all the points while your so-called arguments have devolved into, “Your pee pee is small *giggle*” “You must be gay! *gasp*” “You’re insecure about your masculinity!” Come back to me when put that frighteningly large head of yours to good use by coming up with at least 1 legitimate argument. I do have to give credit where credit is due though. It was very courteous and befitting that you chose a bone head for an avatar, bonehead.

 
Kunzaito
Posted 04, Mar 2010 06:45 PM
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This post kind of highlighted for me that, as high as our expectations are, it’s simply unrealistic to expect the in-game content to match the concepts. I’m guilty of this too - I *LOVE* the female barb’s concept, and I found her in-game translation to be sub-par when it was revealed. But as this rears up again for a new char’s alter, I realize that it’s just HARD to make the game model look like the concept.

Concept is hand drawn by a skilled artist in a static way to express the char in detail. In-game has to be constructed of a limited number of polygons, be flexible enough to handle all of the weapons and armor it will carry, look good moving, and look best from a camera angle that isn’t the one we see here.

So while I understand the disappointment, I’m coming to also cut Blizz some slack here. It’s kind of their fault for releasing the concepts before the model - if we’d seen those first and then the concepts they came from we might not feel so strongly. It would be nice if the technology was strong enough to truly animate the stunning detail of the concepts, but ultimately I don’t think it matters a whole lot. Mea culpa.

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Faker
Posted 04, Mar 2010 10:11 PM
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I trust that Blizzard's developers could have made a very close copy of the concept art if that's what they wanted. Regardless, concept art is just used to generally represent the direction and atmosphere they want to move towards. It's not supposed to be a blue print.

 
Faker
Posted 04, Mar 2010 07:16 PM
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Also, I think the point about the angle of the face making the difference is being exaggerated. The male wizard in the concept art has facial hair, a stronger jawline, and a thicker neck, as well as a visible adam’s apple. All things typically attributed to masculinity.

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blikst
Posted 04, Mar 2010 11:28 PM
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You do realize that "masculine" looking males can also be gay? I hope I didn't shatter your world view or anything just now. Although a poster named Faker is probably around 18 years old on a mission to piss people off with his self-admitted superior intelligence. Have fun with that until you grow up and realize you are just a huge douche.

 
Leugi
Posted 05, Mar 2010 12:33 PM
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Heh... I wonder how people would react if the WD was the only male class without facial hair... I don't know... I actually like the ingame model more than the concept... I guess it's a matter of personal taste...

 
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