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A Guide to Diablo: IncGamers site changes – Here’s what we’ve done

Regular readers will have noticed quite a few changes on Diablo: IncGamers since the launch of Reaper of Souls which was the motivation for us to make some of the changes we had been thinking about for a while.

When RoS launched we pushed the first stage of front page layout changes live. We know everyone likes to read their content in different ways so the site was changed to a similar layout to the main IncGamers site. Of course not every one will love that format so in the past week we set to work on the second phase which was giving you the option to read the content in the old format if you so desired.

In case you hadn’t spotted it, there are a couple of buttons above the news that allow you to switch to your preferred format.

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Probably the toughest job we had to undertake was the forums. We have used the same forum system for around a decade and there were millions of posts to port over. It was important to us to make sure that threads from the old forum were not lost, we’d have hell to pay from you guys if they went missing :) Remember the great forum crash of 2003? That was not pretty.

So why the change? There were numerous reasons, the next version of the same forum was bloated with features that were useless to the community here. Spammers were also a consideration and the previous software was starting to struggle with the rise in spammers over the last couple of years. We needed a system that could pro- actively catch them and then make life easier for IncGamers moderators to deal with anything that managed to slip through.

The end results once we switched were good. The forums are now easier to use, faster and more robust. It’s taken some time to iron out issues with posts moved over from the old system but I would say we are 95% there with most things now. The forum is now easier to use and has more features to track new content additions.

One of the main issues we had during the change was with your logins. We have a custom login system that ties your forum account to the main site. When we moved forums that obviously broke down and had to be recreated. One of the issues we came up against was the inability for guests to post in the news and members who were logged in seeing a captcha. This was not acceptable so it took a few days for me to sort out but thankfully it now all works.

Regarding commenting on news, originally we had the news post into the community forum but as things move quite quickly here as far as content is concerned, we thought it best to create a separate forum for the news discussions. This reorganisation prevents any community forum discussion being lost in a pile of news. Your discussions are important after all.



Regarding accounts. Some of you have been registered here for over a decade and we have been helping members who have had login issues since the switch because they no longer have access to the email they originally registered with. If there are any of you still caught in that trap then we can sort it for you. Send an email here and we will deal with it.

With the new forums came new features, and something we’ve wanted to do for some time is highlight pro-active members and also award trophies for actions by the community. Elly sat down over a few days to come up with the points and reward system. You may have spotted the icons on threads but so you know how it works I have posted all of the trophies below for reference.

There are still a few things to do but the core updates are now in place. Your feedback on anything we do is much appreciated and a special thanks to the PALS who have helped make all the changes possible with their contributions.


Thread StarterThread Starter -Points: 15 -You have started 5 Threads
Topic RaiserTopic Raiser – Points: 45 -You have started 20 Threads
Town CryerTown Cryer – Points: 90 -You have started 50 Threads
ConfabulatorConfabulator – Points: 91 -You have started 80 Threads

Setting the Agenda Setting the Agenda – Points: 120 -You have started 120 Threads


Primary Source Primary Source – Points: 1 – Somebody out there liked one of your posts.

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Ring of Royal Grandeur Farming Exploit?

You want? You take!

You want? You take!

The DiabloWikiRing of Royal Grandeur (armory) has become the most sought after item in Diablo 3, as its legendary affix is basically mandatory for all end game gearing decisions, given the power of partial Item Set bonuses. The hard part is finding one, as it’s one of the five legendary items that can only be obtained from Act One Horadric Caches. This is good in a way, as it’s the sole remaining item/profit-based reason players have to do *anything* other than RiftRiftRift. (Given the game’s design direction in recent months, I’m frankly surprised the RoRG hasn’t been turned into a Greater Rift Guardian drop.)

Most players hunt RoRGs with brute force, by grinding hundreds of Act One bounties as quickly as possible, which usually means split-farming on Normal difficulty. That’ll work, eventually, but is there a better way? A user in our Diablo 3 community forum named Horadrimm says yes, there’s a trick to it, by following a method players are calling the “Junger Rules.” Quote:

I got 5 RORGS with very minimal effort and so can you!!

How it works: The game has a pity timer, meaning that if you don’t get a legendary within an hour or so it drops one for you automatically. The goal the aforementioned method of farming is to ensure that pity drop is in your horadric cache and not in the world.

What to do:

  • Do not kill any mobs except those required for objectives.
  • Do not kill goblins.
  • Do not open chests including resplendent chests.
  • Do not destroy breakables (pots, barrels, looting bodies etc).
  • Do not pop fortune shrines.
  • Do not kill mobs from required cursed chest and shrine event objectives until the timer has run out.
  • Avoiding a legendary drop in the world increases the chance the pity timer drops one in your cache.

    First off, the guy who invented this was apparently named Junger, so now it’s called the “Junger Rules.” Which is fine, but how the hell did they avoid the obvious pun and call it the “Junger Games?” So that’s what I’m calling it, since I’m all about obvious puns.

    As for the technique, the theory is that since the game has a “pity timer” that increases your chances of finding a legendary item the longer you go without finding one, you can exploit this by obtaining a Horadric Cache after not finding any Legendaries for some time. Hence not killing Goblins, not opening golden chests, avoiding random Elites, etc. This is a sacrifice since it’ll lower your total legendaries found, but boost your chances of finding that all-important RoRG.

    Does it work? Some players swear it does, others say it doesn’t. And thus we’re plunged back into the conspiracy theories that are inevitably spawned by item hunting in a game where we don’t know exactly how item drops work. I think the principle is sound, as the pity timer is real, but I’m not at all sure the stated rules are how it should be done.

    First of all, we don’t know when items in a Horadric Cache are determined. The Junger Gamers say the legendary pity timer works when you find the Cache, but that seems contrary to what we know about how Horadric Caches determine their item drops. Remember early in RoS, when players were storing Caches up in Normal and opening them on Torment 6? That was a real exploit, easily observed since it caused Imperial Gems to drop from Caches found in Normal. (Which made it seem that items in Caches were determined when the Cache was opened. NOT when it was found.)

    Blizzard confirmed that exploit by hotfixing it and adding an internal tag to unopened Caches that tracked what DiabloWikidifficulty level they were found on, and the level of the character that farmed them. (So if you find bags with a lvl 70 and open with a lvl 60, all the items will be lvl 70.) Bliz later expanded on that in Patch 2.0.5 when they boosted the chances for legendary items to drop from Caches found on Torment 2 and higher.

    Furthermore, Bliz recently confirmed that items from Caches roll their smart drop according to the class of the character that opens the cache. It doesn’t matter who farms the cache in terms of what items drop. That matches my experience and testing as well, as I once farmed a bunch of caches with my DH and my Barb, and then opened them with a WD and got almost all INT gear, plus several Witch Doctor-restricted items.

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    Reaper of Souls Torment Builds: Demon Hunter and Monk

    Posted 3 Dec 2013 by

    Players have had enough beta testing time to start putting together some new builds, most of them largely enabled by special orange text effects on the Reaper of Souls Legendary items. Those effects are partially random (there are hundreds of the effects, but which ones can spawn on which particular legendary items seems to be limited) and some of the best bonuses don’t seem that amazing, but when used wisely they are very build changing.

    Some good examples come in this Demon Hunter DiabloWikiStrafe build demonstration by ZiggyD, where he shows off the power of a legendary hand Xbow that removes all DiabloWikiHatred cost from Strafe. That’s the key to the whole build, allowing him to remain in perpetual Strafing motion, attacking staying out of the Molten and Poison Enchanted and Frozen Pulse and other dangerous effects, and giving him the ability to tack on other AoE attacks and healing abilities.

    Other legendaries he’s wearing grant regular Confusion debuffs to enemies, a movement speed boost every time he smashes something in the destroyable environment, a .5 yard bonus to Pickup Radius (stacking up to 30x) every time he picks up gold, the ability to break all root and frozen effects, and more. As he points out in the narration, the item end game now in RoS is based around finding Legendaries with stats as big or bigger than the best rares, plus some special orange text bonus property that enables special things that no Rare item can match.

    Click through for two more videos showing off the monster density of Torment 6 (it’s much less crowded than the best farming levels in D3V today), plus a demonstration of a Monk farming Torment IV by abusing some perma-stun/CC gear procs that turn the demons into stationary punching bags. As always, remember that this is early in the beta and there will surely be changes, buffs and debuffs, to the abilities you see in the game today. Broken or OP stuff now won’t remain that way through release.

    Monk Perma-Confuse Torment IV

    No useful narration on this one, but if you want to see a Monk playing in a very staggered, discordant sort of way while keeping almost everything under permanent Confuse, on Torment 6, here’s your chance.

    Monster Density on Torment IV

    Torment IV, or T6, is the highest difficulty level in Reaper of Souls. In RoS Monster density does increase on higher difficulty settings, but it’s not a real big difference from Normal up to T6, and it’s nothing like what you see in D3V today, when you click up to MP1 on Inferno and enable sardine can crowding on most of the levels.

    My impression is that the monster density we saw added to Diablo 3 in Patch 1.0.8 was a bandaid solution that the devs were able to patch in fairly quickly. It made more areas farmable and increased the end game variety without taking as much work/time as actually adding new content would have. The developers had their real end game expanding plans in the works for Reaper of Souls, and they weren’t going to spill those out in Diablo 3 that far in advance. (And Diablo 3 might get them still; the devs have said they might bring AdMode and the other stuff to Diablo 3 in a free patch, along with confirmed updates to DiabloWikiParagon 2.0 and DiabloWikiLoot 2.0.)

    So while you get a lot less monster density in Reaper of Souls, the Adventure Mode and Nephalem Rifts allow for much more variety in the play experience, and you appreciate the difference when you do get a big swarm of enemies, rather than just seeing wall-to-wall trash mobs everywhere, as in Diablo 3 today. That said, there are some areas that need a density buff in Reaper of Souls, just for the fun factor. I’ve run through some long stretches of empty dungeon in some areas of Act One and Act Five, and that always seems to happen when I’m at like 34/40 on the kill counter to complete a Bounty when I’ve already popped the Purple.