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The State of the Monk: Additional follower or future OP class?

state of the monk in diablo 3It’s no surprise that the Monk class has been in need of some love pre 2.1. However with the second iteration of the patch on the PTR that need has not yet been abided. People are still clamoring for more sweeping changes(pun intended).

I was a heavy Monk user pre ROS and took a break with the xpac to delve into my first love(WD) and my new fling(crusader). I returned to the Monk only a few weeks ago and what I found was a shell of what I had left. After suffering for a long time as a WD it was nice when they finally rose to prominence. After a while on the top I wanted a new challenge and set my sights back on my monk, however even this challenge seems to daunting then all that time as a struggling WD. Diablo Forum MVP Druin put together an eloquent look at the myriad issues facing the class:

Hello everyone!

I am back from vacation and I am looking to write up a concise review of where we stand in 2.1.

My plan is to give a quick overview of our major issues then discuss the 2.1 changes and how they affect the various facets of our class.

I will be using this thread to fine-tune what we want to communicate to the devs and then I will make a major “state of monks in 2.1″ thread on the PTR forums to attempt to get some help for our lovely class! :D

1. Current Monk Issues


This is really at the forefront of the monk issues.

Since the release of RoS, monks have been having a tough time with DPS. We have a very limited range of options mostly centering around the skill Exploding Palm. (Un)fortunately EP is being changed as it breaks greater rifts (along with Rimeheart and Furnace) so our only source of widely competitive damage is going away. This leaves monks in a pretty bad spot.

Our spenders do very little damage (I mean VERY little) relative to their cost and our generators are used more as proc-vehicles for Odyn Son, Thunderfury, Shard of Hate and Rime/Furnace more than as sources of damage themselves. This leaves us with our 6pc Raiment of 1000 Storms which makes DS proc a 3000% weapon damage attack on cast. 3000% damage is a lot and it scales with lightning damage gear but DS has a flat-immutable 6 second cooldown. This can be mitigated to some extent by using Jawbreaker to give “free” dashing strike charges but that interaction is quite clunky.

Basically, monks will be forced into a clunky, hard-to-use situationally terrible Storm-breaker set in order to compete with other classes in damage. If they don’t want to use this mechanic, they will do very poor damage.


Next on the list is our ability to survive. This is a more controversial topic with some finding survival to be quite easy and many others finding it to be quite hard. In 2.1 with the change from dex giving dodge to dex giving armor and the change from OWE to Harmony, many monks who had minor synergy with OWE will see a minor tankiness boost. (my Raiment set for example)
On the other hand, monk who are deeply invested into OWE will see a major tankiness loss. (my Shatter-palm set). In either case, both types of monks probably have a lot of trouble living in T6 without 2x Unity or the constant dashing from Storm-breaker. Why is this? Because monks have to face-tank so much stuff.

Our primary source of resource generation comes from skills that require you to be up-close and personal with mobs which means a lot of damage can’t be avoided. To compensate for this, end-game monks are forced to take defensive passives (Harmony) defensive skills (Epiphany-shroud / Serenity / Inner Sanc / Blinding Flash) and CDR in basically every single spec. This is extremely limiting to the monk playstyle though arguably less of a problem than the DPS as the defensive skill/CDR solution does exist.

Additionally, sustain is nearly non-existent. LoH requires primary affixes which takes away from our already terrible DPS, LPS is the same, LPSS both takes primary affixes AND is extremely poor and Globes took a pretty big hit in 2.1. Monks actually have access to healing skills but, for some reason, they are tuned to be SO weak that they are essentially non-existent.

Resource Management

This is a more fundamental problem than the other two issues. Mere number tweaks would likely not result in this issue being resolved.

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A Guide to Diablo: IncGamers site changes – Here’s what we’ve done

Regular readers will have noticed quite a few changes on Diablo: IncGamers since the launch of Reaper of Souls which was the motivation for us to make some of the changes we had been thinking about for a while.

When RoS launched we pushed the first stage of front page layout changes live. We know everyone likes to read their content in different ways so the site was changed to a similar layout to the main IncGamers site. Of course not every one will love that format so in the past week we set to work on the second phase which was giving you the option to read the content in the old format if you so desired.

In case you hadn’t spotted it, there are a couple of buttons above the news that allow you to switch to your preferred format.

change view

Probably the toughest job we had to undertake was the forums. We have used the same forum system for around a decade and there were millions of posts to port over. It was important to us to make sure that threads from the old forum were not lost, we’d have hell to pay from you guys if they went missing :) Remember the great forum crash of 2003? That was not pretty.

So why the change? There were numerous reasons, the next version of the same forum was bloated with features that were useless to the community here. Spammers were also a consideration and the previous software was starting to struggle with the rise in spammers over the last couple of years. We needed a system that could pro- actively catch them and then make life easier for IncGamers moderators to deal with anything that managed to slip through.

The end results once we switched were good. The forums are now easier to use, faster and more robust. It’s taken some time to iron out issues with posts moved over from the old system but I would say we are 95% there with most things now. The forum is now easier to use and has more features to track new content additions.

One of the main issues we had during the change was with your logins. We have a custom login system that ties your forum account to the main site. When we moved forums that obviously broke down and had to be recreated. One of the issues we came up against was the inability for guests to post in the news and members who were logged in seeing a captcha. This was not acceptable so it took a few days for me to sort out but thankfully it now all works.

Regarding commenting on news, originally we had the news post into the community forum but as things move quite quickly here as far as content is concerned, we thought it best to create a separate forum for the news discussions. This reorganisation prevents any community forum discussion being lost in a pile of news. Your discussions are important after all.



Regarding accounts. Some of you have been registered here for over a decade and we have been helping members who have had login issues since the switch because they no longer have access to the email they originally registered with. If there are any of you still caught in that trap then we can sort it for you. Send an email here and we will deal with it.

With the new forums came new features, and something we’ve wanted to do for some time is highlight pro-active members and also award trophies for actions by the community. Elly sat down over a few days to come up with the points and reward system. You may have spotted the icons on threads but so you know how it works I have posted all of the trophies below for reference.

There are still a few things to do but the core updates are now in place. Your feedback on anything we do is much appreciated and a special thanks to the PALS who have helped make all the changes possible with their contributions.


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Primary Source Primary Source – Points: 1 – Somebody out there liked one of your posts.

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Official Diablo 3 Patch 1.0.8 Notes

Posted 7 May 2013 by

The Diablo 3 Patch 1.0.8 Notes can be seen below. The Patch is live and ready for download and install via your Diablo 3 game launcher. (You just can’t play yet, while the realms are still down for their weekly maintenance.) The patch notes are much as we’ve seen during the PTR testing, but if you want to read all the details, here they are.

Refer to the DiabloWikiDiablo 3 Patches article in for full details of every patch and hotfix thus far released for Diablo 3.

DiabloWikiDiablo III Patch 1.0.8 – v.


* Players can now identify all items in their inventory by speaking to DiabloWikiDeckard Cain or by using the Book of Cain that can be found near the shared stash in all Acts
* The cooldown incurred by changing skills outside of town on DiabloWikiInferno difficulty has been reduced to 30 seconds (down from 60 seconds)
* The bonus experience granted by DiabloWikiEnlightened shrines is now also calculated multiplicatively
* The DiabloWikiMagic Find and Gold Find granted by DiabloWikiFortune shrines can now exceed the 300% cap
* There is now an option in Video Settings to lock the cursor to the window when in fullscreen windowed mode, if Diablo III is the active window
* Multiplayer Co-Op
* * Players now receive a 10% bonus to Magic Find, Gold Find, and DiabloWikiExperience per additional player in a multiplayer game, up to a maximum of 30% in a four-player game
* * * The Magic Find and Gold Find bonuses can exceed their respective 300% caps
* * * The Experience bonus can stack with other bonuses from items and DiabloWikiMonster Power (the bonuses will stack multiplicatively)
* * A notification is now sent to all players in a multiplayer game whenever a party member engages an Elite monster or DiabloWikiTreasure Goblin in combat, and their location will be shown on the mini-map
* * * In addition to this, an icon will also appear over player banners in town to indicate if they’re in combat with a monster, Elite monster, or Treasure Goblin.

Click through for rest of the patch notes covering skills, quests, crafting, UI, monsters, and much more.


Bug Fixes
* The “DiabloWikiMassive Blow” achievement should once again be obtainable
* The “DiabloWikiFallen Angel” achievement now only requires the player to kill Izual within 120 seconds
* The “DiabloWikiBashanishu” achievement no longer requires the player to use Basic Attack to complete it
* The “DiabloWikiHero’s New Clothes” achievement no longer requires the player to deliver the fatal blow to meet the criteria
* Fixed a bug that prevented monsters killed by a follower or pet, before being attacked by a player, from counting toward achievement criteria

Auction House

* The stack size for gold sales on the auction house has been increased from 1 million to 10 million

User Interface
* Tooltips in the Auction House will now show an item comparison for a player’s currently selected character

* Players will now be able to search for games that were started on any quest once they have reached level cap
* Matchmaking “Tags” have been added
* * In addition to selecting your Difficulty, Monster Power, and Quest, players will also be able to choose from the following tags when searching for Public Games: Monster Slaying, Brawling, and Key Warden
* * * Note: When the Brawling tag is selected, your Monster Power selection will not be taken into account

* Players can now add a note about a friend by right-clicking the name in their Friends List
* Players can now enter a message that will be broadcast to their friends
* Players can now create multi-user conversations
* * There are multiple ways to start a conversation or invite other players to an existing conversation:
* * * To start a conversation, open Public Chat Options, then select Invite Friends > Start Conversation or use the “Start a Conversation” option in the Social window by right-clicking on a friend’s name
* * * To invite or add friends to an existing conversation, open Public Chat Options, then select Invite Friends or use the “Invite to a Conversation” option in the Social window by right clicking a friend’s name and selecting the desired conversation
* Similar to public channels, private conversations can support up to 99 players
* A new section has been added to the friends list called “Players Near You”
* * Any player who is on your local network will be displayed here (even if they’re not currently your friend)
* * If needed, this feature can be disabled from the Social Options of the Game menu
* Players may now be marked as a “Party Guide”
* * The Party Guide is assigned to the first person who joins a Public Game
* * If multiple characters join a Public Game at the same time, the game will choose the hero with the highest level or Paragon level to be Party Guide
* * When a Party Guide leaves the Public Game, a new one will be chosen automatically
* * Alternatively, the Party Guide can right click on a party member’s portrait and pass them the Party Guide title
* * The Party Guide will have a unique icon that will appear on the mini-map
* Names in your “Recent Players” list will now expire if they become older than a month
* Blocked players will no longer appear in your “Recent Players” list


Bug Fixes
* DiabloWikiSkeleton King
* * The Skeleton King and The King of the Dead will now play an animation when performing their Whirlwind attack


Barbarian: Active Skills

DiabloWikiWar Cry
* Skill Rune – DiabloWikiInvigorate
* * Now regenerates 620 life per second (up from 310)

Barbarian: Passive Skills
* DiabloWikiInspiring Presence
* * Now affects all party members

Bug Fixes
* The sound that plays whenever a Barbarian’s Overpower ability comes off cooldown is no longer similar to a Legendary item dropping
* Male Barbarians no longer run faster than the other heroes while feared

Demon Hunter: Active Skills

* Skill Rune – DiabloWikiBoar Companion
* * Now regenerates 310 life per second (up from 155)

DiabloWikiRapid Fire
* Base weapon damage increased from 276% to 438%
* Hatred cost while channeling has been reduced from to 6 (down from 10)
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiBombardment
* * * Weapon damage increased from 345% to 414%
* * * Explosion radius increased to 8 yards (up from 4)
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiFire Support
* * * Weapon damage of Homing Rockets increased from 35% to 145%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiWithering Fire
* * * * Now reduces the initial Hatred cost to 10 (up from 5)

* Skill Rune – DiabloWikiAid Station
* * Now heals nearby allies for 2% of max life per second (up from 1%)

Demon Hunter: Passive Skills
* DiabloWikiBrooding
* * Now regenerates 2% of maximum life per second (up from 1%)

Monk: Active Skills
DiabloWikiMantra of Healing
* Now causes party members to regenerate 620 life per second (up from 310)
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiSustenance
* * * Now increases Mantra of Healing’s life regeneration to 1240 per second (up from 620)

Monk: Passive Skills
* DiabloWikiGuiding Light
* * Damage bonus increased from 16% to 20%

Witch Doctor: Active Skills
* Now has a larger initial cost but a much lower continual cost while channeling
* * Base weapon damage increased from 180% to 385%
* * * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiCloud of Bats
* * * * Initial damage increased from 234% to 500% weapon damage
* * * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiPlague Bats
* * * * Maximum damage increased from 270% to 578% weapon damage

Witch Doctor: Passive Skills
* DiabloWikiBlood Ritual
* * Now regenerates 2% of maximum life per second (up from 1%)

Wizard: Active Skills

DiabloWikiArcane Torrent
* Base weapon damage increased from 210% to 285%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiArcane Mines
* * * Weapon damage increased from 180% to 340%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiCascade
* * * Weapon damage of bonus missiles increased from 210% to 285%

* The duration of Archon should now be extended by assists from players in multiplayer games, in addition to kills

* Base weapon damage increased from 170% to 220%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiEntropy
* * * Weapon damage increased from 196% to 253%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiIntensify
* * * Maximum damage increased from 221% to 286% weapon damage

* Skill Rune – DiabloWikiVigoron
* * Now regenerates 620 life per second (up from 310)

DiabloWikiRay of Frost
* Base weapon damage increased from 215% to 280%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiBlack Ice
* * * Ice patch weapon damage increased from 387% to 504%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiSleet Storm
* * * Weapon damage increased from 280% to 364%
* * Skill Rune – DiabloWikiSnow Blast
* * * Maximum damage increased from 280% to 364% weapon damage

* Players may now Teleport to any location within range, as long as a path is available

Wizard: Passive Skills
* DiabloWikiGalvanizing Ward
* * Now regenerates 620 life per second (up from 310)

Bug Fixes
* Fixed a bug causing Teleport – Safe Passage to only reduce damage from physical attacks


* General
* * Players can now queue up multiple items and gems at a time to be crafted, so long as they possess the necessary materials
* * Players can now craft items using materials located in the shared stash

* Salvaged item information will no longer be displayed in the chat log
* Players can now disable the confirmation dialog when salvaging items of Rare quality

Bug Fixes
* Fixed a bug preventing players from salvaging an item by dragging it onto the Blacksmith’s anvil icon


* Skills
* * Loyalty
* * * Now regenerates 310 life per second (up from 155)


* General
* * Players should now encounter more monsters in Acts I, II, and IV in Inferno difficulty when playing at Monster Power 1 or greater
* * In multiplayer games, the increase in monster hit points per additional player has been reduced to 50% (down from 70%)
* * The damage dealt by the fire pool left by Blazing Guardian attacks has been reduced by 50%, but its minimum damage has been increased
* * Poison damage dealt by Brood Hatchlings has been reduced by 40%
* * Damage dealt by Tormented Stingers has been reduced by 75%
* * The health of normal Spiderlings has been reduced by approximately 68%
* * The health of Elite Spiderlings has been reduced by approximately:
* * * 4.5% for Champions
* * * 3% for Rares
* * * 9% for Rare minions
* The following monsters have their experience and chance to drop loot modified to better align with their hit points:
* * Accursed, Betrayed, Bile Crawlers, Blazing Guardians, Blazing Ghouls Brood Hatchlings, Cavern Spiders, Charged Constructs, Chilling Constructs, Crazed Cultists, Crazed Summoners, Dark Conjurers, Dark Cultists, Dark Moon Clan Impalers, Dark Summoners, Dark Zealots, Deranged Cultists, Doom Wraiths, Dust Shamblers, Enraged Zealots, Fallen, Fallen Grunts, Fallen Peons, Fallen Soldiers, Foul Conjurers , Frost Guardians, Ghouls, Hungry Corpses, Moon Clan Impalers, Murderous Fiends, Noxious Guardians, Ravenous Dead, Retching Cadavers, Reviled, Savage Fiends, Spiderlings, Shade Stalkers, Shadow Vermin, Shock Guardians, Skeletal Crawlers, Smoldering Constructs, Spine Lashers Stygian Crawlers, Tormented Stingers, Toxic Constructs, and Vicious Ghouls
* Keywardens
* * Nekarat the Keywarden now has a chance to drop a random Key (of Destruction, Hate, or Terror) in addition to the Infernal Machine plans
* All Keywardens will now only appear in Inferno difficulty

Bug Fixes
* Monsters with the Avenger affix now correctly gain +25% damage each time a monster in their pack dies
* Monsters with the Vampiric affix now correctly heal for 200% of their damage done in all difficulties

* General
* * Experience earned by completing a quest is now granted to players that have reached the level cap

User Interface
* General
* * A maximum of eight buffs and debuffs will now be displayed on the UI
* * * The maximum number of debuffs that will be displayed is three

Bug Fixes
* Fixed a bug preventing damage numbers from being displayed if a monster was affected by a spell such as Hex.

The monster density changes have the biggest game impact in this patch, and if you haven’t been testing on the PTR, check out our article discussing the changes.

One big change with this patch will be keyrunning, for anyone who doesn’t already have more DiabloWikiHellfire Rings than they know what to do with. (That includes me, since I don’t have any in Hardcore yet.) The buffs to farming make it so you won’t feel like you’re wasting your time Stacking up in Acts 1 or 2 anymore. Plus, the actual DiabloWikiKeywarden levels are much changed, with huge boosts to the monster density in the DiabloWikiFields of Misery and DiabloWikiDahlgur Oasis making those levels profitable to explore in their own right, and certainly more fun to voyage through than tired old DiabloWikiStonefort.

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