Other D2 Devs Weigh in on the D3 Dev Comments Controversy
Posted 22 August 2012 by FluxToday in the Runic Games forums, Max Schaefer weighed in on our instantly-infamous Dave Brevik interview and D3 Developers’ F’ing angry reaction to it. As you’ve heard in past interviews and some of our podcasts, Max always speaks his mind and shoots from the hip and PR-consequences be-damned, so it had to be good, right?
His reply came on page seven of a long thread about the whole controversy, and thanks to Glass for the tip:
I bet you all want me to comment on this, right?
FAT CHANCE!
Oh Max, must you tease?
We’ve seen no shortage of comments from Max about Diablo III, including things he liked and things he didn’t (such as the removal of crosses and pentagrams). So he’s not lacking in opinions on the game, but he’s (probably wisely) staying out of the current name-calling and bitterness. We’ll interview Max later this year, around the launch of Torchlight 2, and perhaps we an elicit some further comment at that time.
Update: Azzure points me to an interesting update to this issue. It’s on Tom’s Hardware, and they found a Twitter quote from Mark Kern, who was a producer on Diablo II who is now the CEO of Red 5 Studios, which was founded by ex-Blizzard employees.
“Gotta say, that Jay Wilson, never having been at Blizzard for D1 and D2 and never having met Dave Brevik, has no place to say what he did.”
“Dave Brevik created 2 genre-busting, award winning, world-loved Diablo games. Jay Wilson has done ____ with Diablo 3. Fill in the blanks.”
“Blizzard arrogance has reached new heights,”
He dares where Max will not fly!
Flux, why you are trying to create more negative feelings about D3?
It should be fansite ;/
Putting this kind of info on front page is not helping.
traffic man!
Flux, you missed another story about a Blizzard Community Manager saying that since Diablo, David Brevik has produced nothing but sh!t (http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/8761/article/blizzard-community-manager-trolls-anti-blizzard-facebook-page/)
I suggest you let more people know about the crazy antics of Blizzard.
I don’t know which article you read, but the one I read did neither create more negative nor more positive feelings…
Linking to the controversy and quoting a post from Max that actually doesn’t say anything about D3 is not what I would call “create more negative feelings”?
Is it possible that you are biased towards Flux yourself and want to believe, that when he links to the controversy, he wants people to get negative feelings about D3?
Nah, i just prefer to read about the game than social controversy
That’s fair and understandable, but it’s not like we’re not posting about the game. Like 15 big news things in the past few days, and just hours ago I posted a whole article about playing v1.0.4 and liking many of the changes.
Many of our readers are very interested in the community as well, as the number of views and comments on the Dave Brevik interview shows. So we cover that stuff too.
+ it of course is relevant for the game if the lead designer is a rational adult or not
And, it is indeed a Diablo Fansite. Not only a D3 fansite. I like these stories, largely due to this site I became a huge fan of the Blizzard North team. Keep up the good work!
Please continue to post these controversial news articles. I get more entertainment out of them than I do from D3.
If mods didn’t post stuff like THIS I wouldn’t find time to come to this site. I love the show btw, Blizz sucks and J.W too **** them. Never couldn’t imagine that D3 brings this bad reputation to them ROFL.
Also tried the new paragon patch – meh not saving this game much. The game is too static.
you want flux to stop posting this kinda stuff?
FAT CHANCE!
If you want to read news written by tools and fanboys, head on over to diablofans.
The very reason I’m staying at this site, is that you get everything up front at face value, good or bad.
If you want a more gullible fansite, there’s plenty out there.
Same as what this guy said, didnt diii.net even lose its blizzard official fansite endorsement due to not straight up lying for them?
We don’t know. They never gave us any reason or explanation. They never even told us at all until shortly before blizzcon 2010 I asked Bashiok why I hadn’t heard about a ticket this year and he hemmed and hawed and said we weren’t getting invited, but he couldn’t say why not. And no subsequent conversations with him or his bosses clarified things one bit, and they weren’t even going to tell us if I hadn’t asked; like little kids who break a lamp and then tiptoe out of the room, like no one will notice if they don’t admit to it.
That’s one of the annoying things about dealing with Bliz Irvine PR if you’re not a major powerful media platform. Everyone else who doesn’t suck up is randomly ostracized, and they won’t even come out and say why. It’s all weasel speech and platitudes. No word who makes a decision, no word why it’s made, no word what you could do to change their policy, etc.
Reading Jills most recent sarcastic comment, it probably has something to do with Blizzard not finding incgamers objective.
Could it be incgamers related in general and not just this diablo fansite?
man that is just SAD. I hate Bli$$ more now. I always wondered why Diabloinc was not being treated like an official forum or fansite… oh well back to Darksiders 2.
Blah, I have known that Blizzard was a bunch of asshats since time ago from reading fellow PC gamers -I am into consoles-.
Users have been ripped off and WoW has been in full production of being milked for every dime they could get from it.
And now this. The last straw for me was the Jay Wilson remark.
So I definitely wash my hands of Blizzard, and I certainly revel in any bit of bad press I hear or read about them.
Goodbye forever Blizz.
The reason: you said or allowed something to be said that made Jay butthurt. The only way to get back in their graces, is for Jay’s butt to unhurtify itself. Nothing you can say or do can ever change the Status of his buttzone; only he can change himself.
This reminds me a lot of the Flagship days, when they pressured fan sites to clamp down on dissent. The best part of Hellgate was joking with each other over how bad it was – would there even BE a fanbase without the hatorade?
This is a “Diablo” fansite, not a “Diablo 3″ fansite.
Hey, I’m just saying…..
Some core Diablo fans don’t like Diablo 3, y’know?
This is a “Diablo” fansite, not a “Diablo 3″ fansite.
that is an excellent point that should be made more often
Ha so true. I dare you to tell that to r/diablo (note that there is also a r/diablo3) over on Reddit though. Infested by diehard D3 fanboys there.
“Flux, why you are trying to create more negative feelings about D3?
It should be fansite ;/”
Sorry, but are you stupid much? Nobody is trying to “create negative feelings” about the game. He is reporting something of interest of Diablo fans. If you want a fansite who is blindly swallowing everything and worshipping all Blizzard releases as god-given thing you are wrong here and should move on to diablofans or whatever, there is enough of this trash out there.
Oh, and I accidentally recommended your comment because I mistook it for the reply button. Sadly, there is no downvote here.
I think Blizzard creates the negativity towards Diablo 3. IncGamers just reports it.
Agree Robi. I have the “long view” being on this site since 1998 (originally under the handle Beastiaryocracy). On or about 2009 Flux started posting a bunch of negative associations to WoW, ActiBlizzard / Kotick / Bobbyeyes garbage, making back-to-back posts about the art controversy, etc… A lot of the “positive” posters simply moved on, leaving the trolls. Misery loves company and Flux is getting what he wanted.
Now back to on point – if somebody slammed something that I had been working on, I’d say **** that loser too.
All of you would, stop being hypocrites.
Well edit is gone, but my troll post needs to be clarified with the following: Flux, Elly, and all of the other site contributors are brilliant and I appreciate the hard work. I think some “law of unintended consequences ” kicked in, that is all.
So Flux should only post happy “positive” news stories and ignore all the negative news stories? It’s the news… it’s all out there for everyone to read. You the reader are free to react to this news however you wish. I for one am happy that Flux and the contributors to this site have the cajones to post negative news stories in the face of oppressive tactics by Blizzard.
Also- if someone slammed something I had been working on (which I don’t believe happened in the article) I might say f that loser to my friends, family and co-workers in a private setting. I WOULD NOT post that thought on a very popular social media site for the world to see. I would not want to get fired over that thought.
Yes, cover your eyes and yell F*CK F*CK F*CK F*CK (that guy) until the problems go away. Great way of going at life.
This isn’t negative, i’m sure some people were wondering what Max’s thoughts on the subject would be and here is your answer.
I was totally expecting something else from the title.. I laughed.
Since when did this place turn yellow press?
2009, give or take a decade.
this is just another non biased post about all things diablo.
(no sarcasm)
I think this post should be renamed “Max Schaefer’s Bold Statement on the D3 Dev Controversy” so as to not sound like Brevik is in a war. I mean, he was nice enough to give his opinion to us, we shouldn’t really start a controversy named after him.
“Wislon Gate”.
How’s that for a title?
I updated the title when I added the other quote, not based on your comment. But you’re free to claim responsibility if you wish.
Losergate!
I totally agree with Mark Kern. Gosh give those guys Blizzards badget and free arm!
I’m fairly disappointed with everyone involded at this point and in all camps. Bravo to Max Schafer for at least not sinking down to everyone else’s level.
Also, the timing of the interview with Brevik and the 1.0.4 patch seems a bit well played to. Paragons of objectivity indeed.
Timing is pure coincidence, Gamescom just happened to be on last week and I was there.
heh, some people just walk straight into it don’t they:)
I knew all of this would happen one way or another as soon as someone interviewed David Brevik. As the creator of Diablo series (even before Blizzard, they bought his company a few months before the release of Diablo I), he would not speak very diplomatically like Max or any other Blizzard North developer. It’s obvious he’s very sad about the state of his franchise.
As for Jay Wilson, who is he?
BTW it’s a very classy move for Mark Kern.
BTW Mark Kern was also the original team lead for World of Warcraft. More drama
oh! those FB accounts were actual devs??? I thought they were parodies!! that Jay Wilson sonofabitch!!! for real??