Inferno too tough for HC?
Posted 30 April 2012 by XanthWe’ve had a long time to wonder just how tough 
Inferno will be. Of course those in the hardcore community have been especially curious. Jay Wilson has added a few more logs on that fire with this tweet.
Hi Jay, quick question: is Inferno mode designed to be beatable by an HC character?
Not really, but please consider that as a challenge.
How hard can inferno be? Unfortunately we won’t know for a bit. We’ve been told to expect death ( and a lot of it!) from the testers, and now we’ve been told the hardest difficulty is not beatable for us. While I for one take it as a challenge and look forward to it ,what are your thoughts? Is this grandstanding to make Inferno seem more difficult and Diablo 3 more marketable or is it really that tough?
It is probably that tough and it better be for Blizzard’s sake. I can imagine an uproar if it isn’t as hard as they have been saying for the past 4 years (or since inferno was announced).
There will be a very vocal minority that finds Inferno ‘too easy’ and will swear bloody murder upon Blizzard for broken promises and ‘bait and switch’
So it goes.
Unless it IS actually too easy.
Here is the issue:
Developers have dumbed down games so much that when they say it will be hard, we don’t trust them.
This isn’t world of Warcraft that needs to cater to everybody tokeep subscriptions going, it’s a single transaction purchase game. Blizzard give two ****s if your little brother or some old grandma can’t finish it, that’s what normal is for.
I believe inferno will be ****ing hard, maybe too hard.
at first yes, then it will be “dumbed down” or easened as I like to say. so play the hell out of it for the first 3-4 months.
For me personally, since I see little meaning in playing softcore, this new information from Jay Wilson is by far the worst Diablo 3 news so far.
Let us see, I think that it is a minority that will be able to do inferno on HC and much latter into the game.
I’m sorry, but Jay’s reply does not in any way equate: ‘now we’ve been told the hardest difficulty is not beatable for us.’
Inferno wasn’t designed with the explicit goal in mind that it must be doable on hardcore too. That means it may or may not be beatable on hardcore.
My guess is it will be, since the devs in general seem to really underestimate the commitment of the players. It’s astounding what some players (not me) manage to accomplish.
In any case, I’ll look forward to the challenge too
I’m sorry, but Jay’s reply does not in any way equate
lolwut? “Is inferno designed to be beaten by an HC character” and the answer is “not really”. How does that not equate?
lolwut? It’s exactly what he said. Inferno wasn’t DESIGNED to be beaten by a HC character. I’m pretty confident in making the leap that this means they didn’t take HC into account when designing inferno. Which they shouldn’t. HC has always been about doing the exact same thing SC players do but with the chance of permanent death.
That in no ways means it’s unbeatable for HC. It just means that it is still an unknown variable. It may or may not be beatable.
Of course it’s “beatable” but it is designed to kill you in SC. Death is part of the process. We’ve been told this repeatedly, and it does equate to Jay Wilson saying that.
You’d have been better off arguing that he wouldn’t know what we’re capable of. Because he doesn’t.
A spoon isn’t designed to be a lethal weapon, but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible to use a spoon as a lethal weapon. Jay never said it wasn’t possible to beat Inferno Hardcore; he said Inferno wasn’t designed with Hardcore in mind. Palurian has the right of it, even if he’s using the verb “equate” in a somewhat questionable way: there is a significant difference between what Jay said and what the article suggested.
Tobit is right, you have to read the wording more carefully. It’s very unlikely that someone would go into Inferno for the first time, as a HC player, and live to beat it. However, you may wish to make a softcore character to practice Inferno with until you feel comfortable bringing your HC character. Or, you may farm the end of Hell in HC mode for an unneccesarily long time, hoping to be the utmost prepared for your run in Inferno.
Inferno IS going to be eventually soloable, they’ve even said that before..so what’s soloable in SC is soloable in HC(to a much much more carefully planned and patient extent). When they designed inferno, they did not say, “Hmm..well we SHOULD make this easy enough for HC players…”. HC players KNOW what type of difficulty they are getting themselves into.
Semantics guys, come on. You all agree on the fundamental issue here.
@Gatsby: The issue is that, months from now when someone finally does defeat Inferno on hardcore mode, they’re going to misconstrue Jay’s comment to suggest that it shouldn’t have been possible, and that Blizzard has failed us, etc. etc. Semantics matter!
Put in a different way:
An absence of design for something does not imply the presence of design for its opposite.
I doubt it’s unbeatable for HC, but I also doubt we’ll be seeing anyone beat it in the first week, or even first month of release, solo or team. When people have beaten Inferno on 2 or 3 different characters and have ran all the bosses multiple times to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the mechanics, then we’ll see people beating the final boss on HC Inferno.
It will be doable it will require a lot of farming for good items in early inferno though (remember you can get every item in theory from an act 1 baby mob). Even then it likely going to come down to luck to a degree (you dont want to bump into D3 equivalent of a MS LE elite).
Developers always underestimate players.
Although I still hope it will take me months before I beat inferno on hc.
Hopefully it is that tough.
well Jay, challenge accepted!
I really do believe that Inf is seriously tough. That is the end-game at the moment. If it is easily beatable, then it wouldn’t amount to the longevity of the game. So I think that it is insanely though so us players can prepare and challenge for it with months to come.
Jay himself said that within his hundreds and hundreds of hours playing the game, he hasn’t beat Inf single or multiplayer. This coming from the lead designer, who should know the ins and outs of the game in the palm of his hand.
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There’s a team of insane Germans and gosu Koreans that have already beaten Inferno in HC, we just don’t know it yet.
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