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Ring of Royal Grandeur Farming Exploit?

You want? You take!

You want? You take!

The DiabloWikiRing of Royal Grandeur (armory) has become the most sought after item in Diablo 3, as its legendary affix is basically mandatory for all end game gearing decisions, given the power of partial Item Set bonuses. The hard part is finding one, as it’s one of the five legendary items that can only be obtained from Act One Horadric Caches. This is good in a way, as it’s the sole remaining item/profit-based reason players have to do *anything* other than RiftRiftRift. (Given the game’s design direction in recent months, I’m frankly surprised the RoRG hasn’t been turned into a Greater Rift Guardian drop.)

Most players hunt RoRGs with brute force, by grinding hundreds of Act One bounties as quickly as possible, which usually means split-farming on Normal difficulty. That’ll work, eventually, but is there a better way? A user in our Diablo 3 community forum named Horadrimm says yes, there’s a trick to it, by following a method players are calling the “Junger Rules.” Quote:

I got 5 RORGS with very minimal effort and so can you!!

How it works: The game has a pity timer, meaning that if you don’t get a legendary within an hour or so it drops one for you automatically. The goal the aforementioned method of farming is to ensure that pity drop is in your horadric cache and not in the world.

What to do:

  • Do not kill any mobs except those required for objectives.
  • Do not kill goblins.
  • Do not open chests including resplendent chests.
  • Do not destroy breakables (pots, barrels, looting bodies etc).
  • Do not pop fortune shrines.
  • Do not kill mobs from required cursed chest and shrine event objectives until the timer has run out.
  • Avoiding a legendary drop in the world increases the chance the pity timer drops one in your cache.

    First off, the guy who invented this was apparently named Junger, so now it’s called the “Junger Rules.” Which is fine, but how the hell did they avoid the obvious pun and call it the “Junger Games?” So that’s what I’m calling it, since I’m all about obvious puns.

    As for the technique, the theory is that since the game has a “pity timer” that increases your chances of finding a legendary item the longer you go without finding one, you can exploit this by obtaining a Horadric Cache after not finding any Legendaries for some time. Hence not killing Goblins, not opening golden chests, avoiding random Elites, etc. This is a sacrifice since it’ll lower your total legendaries found, but boost your chances of finding that all-important RoRG.

    Does it work? Some players swear it does, others say it doesn’t. And thus we’re plunged back into the conspiracy theories that are inevitably spawned by item hunting in a game where we don’t know exactly how item drops work. I think the principle is sound, as the pity timer is real, but I’m not at all sure the stated rules are how it should be done.

    First of all, we don’t know when items in a Horadric Cache are determined. The Junger Gamers say the legendary pity timer works when you find the Cache, but that seems contrary to what we know about how Horadric Caches determine their item drops. Remember early in RoS, when players were storing Caches up in Normal and opening them on Torment 6? That was a real exploit, easily observed since it caused Imperial Gems to drop from Caches found in Normal. (Which made it seem that items in Caches were determined when the Cache was opened. NOT when it was found.)

    Blizzard confirmed that exploit by hotfixing it and adding an internal tag to unopened Caches that tracked what DiabloWikidifficulty level they were found on, and the level of the character that farmed them. (So if you find bags with a lvl 70 and open with a lvl 60, all the items will be lvl 70.) Bliz later expanded on that in Patch 2.0.5 when they boosted the chances for legendary items to drop from Caches found on Torment 2 and higher.

    Furthermore, Bliz recently confirmed that items from Caches roll their smart drop according to the class of the character that opens the cache. It doesn’t matter who farms the cache in terms of what items drop. That matches my experience and testing as well, as I once farmed a bunch of caches with my DH and my Barb, and then opened them with a WD and got almost all INT gear, plus several Witch Doctor-restricted items.

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    A Guide to Diablo: IncGamers site changes – Here’s what we’ve done

    Regular readers will have noticed quite a few changes on Diablo: IncGamers since the launch of Reaper of Souls which was the motivation for us to make some of the changes we had been thinking about for a while.

    When RoS launched we pushed the first stage of front page layout changes live. We know everyone likes to read their content in different ways so the site was changed to a similar layout to the main IncGamers site. Of course not every one will love that format so in the past week we set to work on the second phase which was giving you the option to read the content in the old format if you so desired.

    In case you hadn’t spotted it, there are a couple of buttons above the news that allow you to switch to your preferred format.

    change view

    Probably the toughest job we had to undertake was the forums. We have used the same forum system for around a decade and there were millions of posts to port over. It was important to us to make sure that threads from the old forum were not lost, we’d have hell to pay from you guys if they went missing :) Remember the great forum crash of 2003? That was not pretty.

    So why the change? There were numerous reasons, the next version of the same forum was bloated with features that were useless to the community here. Spammers were also a consideration and the previous software was starting to struggle with the rise in spammers over the last couple of years. We needed a system that could pro- actively catch them and then make life easier for IncGamers moderators to deal with anything that managed to slip through.

    The end results once we switched were good. The forums are now easier to use, faster and more robust. It’s taken some time to iron out issues with posts moved over from the old system but I would say we are 95% there with most things now. The forum is now easier to use and has more features to track new content additions.

    One of the main issues we had during the change was with your logins. We have a custom login system that ties your forum account to the main site. When we moved forums that obviously broke down and had to be recreated. One of the issues we came up against was the inability for guests to post in the news and members who were logged in seeing a captcha. This was not acceptable so it took a few days for me to sort out but thankfully it now all works.

    Regarding commenting on news, originally we had the news post into the community forum but as things move quite quickly here as far as content is concerned, we thought it best to create a separate forum for the news discussions. This reorganisation prevents any community forum discussion being lost in a pile of news. Your discussions are important after all.



    Regarding accounts. Some of you have been registered here for over a decade and we have been helping members who have had login issues since the switch because they no longer have access to the email they originally registered with. If there are any of you still caught in that trap then we can sort it for you. Send an email here and we will deal with it.

    With the new forums came new features, and something we’ve wanted to do for some time is highlight pro-active members and also award trophies for actions by the community. Elly sat down over a few days to come up with the points and reward system. You may have spotted the icons on threads but so you know how it works I have posted all of the trophies below for reference.

    There are still a few things to do but the core updates are now in place. Your feedback on anything we do is much appreciated and a special thanks to the PALS who have helped make all the changes possible with their contributions.


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    Diablo 3 to Reaper of Souls Item Upgrade Guide

    Posted 27 Nov 2013 by

    During the week of the Reaper of Souls beta test I’ve talked to a lot of people who weren’t lucky enough to get a beta slot yet, and virtually everyone has asked me about which current Diablo 3 items are still useful. So, how about a Diablo 3 to Reaper of Souls Item Upgrade Guide? This isn’t meant to be some huge investment guide; more of a quick reference discussion. And of course this is all preliminary based on the current state of the game. Reaper of Souls is nowhere near release yet and it’s likely that many things will be rebalanced and adjusted before release, especially in terms of items and affixes. We’ll update this list as the beta progresses

    This is why I sold all my D3V gems.

    This is why I sold all my D3V gems.

    That said, here’s what we know after one week of testing.

    Thumbnail summary:

  • Dump them now: All D3V commodities and gems. All weapons.
  • Easily upgraded in RoS: Boots, belts, shoulders, bracers, chest armor, most helms, shields, orbs, mojos, quivers.
  • Top quality D3V still viable in RoS: Rings, amulets, gloves, Mempo of Twilight.
  • That’s the very quick version, glossing over some distinctions and exceptions. Read on for the details.

    D3 Commodities are Worthless in Reaper of Souls

    The most obvious change is the completely worthless nature of every Diablo 3 commodity in Reaper of Souls. All gems, plus Tomes of Secret, Demonic Essences, and everything else you get from salvaging is virtually worthless in RoS. If you want to bet that the game stays much the same at release as it is now, you should sell all of your gems and materials at once, while they still hold value. (Gold is useful in RoS, though much less all powerful than in D3.)

    Gems are comically worthless; Marquise Gems, the highest level in Diablo 3 now are the new baseline drop in the end game of Reaper of Souls, with six more levels of gems added above Marquise: three qualities of Imperial and 3 of Royal. You regularly find Marquise and the lowest level of Imperial even on Normal difficulty, and while gems are likely to change in balancing (the costs to upgrade and unsocket now aren’t so much unbalanced as incomplete) it’s obvious that gem stats need to greatly increase given how much stat bonuses have. I liquidated my D3V gems the first day of the Reaper of Souls beta.

    Commodity soup :subject to change.

    Commodity soup :subject to change.

    Crafting materials are useful in Reaper of Souls and there are hundreds of new blacksmith recipes, including dozens of new legendary item sets, and they drop regularly too; I’ve found 5 or 6 already (2 of them end game level, the others lower) after never finding a single one in my entire D3V play time. The problem for D3V mats is that those are not the top level materials in RoS. All the current D3V materials (including Brimstones and Tomes of Secret) are found from drops and/or salvage out of low and mid level items in Reaper of Souls, while the materials you need for end game crafting, Artisan training, etc, come chiefly from salvaging newly-found level 70 gear.

    The only disclaimer for this issue is the fact that crafting mats are very likely to receive a major balance patch. I certainly hope so, since they are currently confused, redundant, and very unbalanced in their availability vs. requirements for crafting. Basically you don’t find anywhere near enough of them to do more than like one craft a day on the higher end stuff, with the bottleneck coming mostly from new white materials, which can only be obtained from Horadric Goodie Bags and from salvaging white items, which hardly ever drop.

    Blizzard has suggested that they’ll add 10-to-1 upgrade recipes to turn current materials into the new Reaper of Souls end game materials, which will help those of you with thousands of Tomes of Secret, but that’s about their only possible value come RoS conversion.

    Much more on the click through, covering the gear that you’ll immediately upgrade, and that which you won’t…

    Easy Gear Upgrades

    Wins by sheer weight of stats.

    Wins by sheer weight of stats.

    I could easily have included weapons in the first category, since they are laughably useless in RoS. You’ve seen the screenshots; good 1H weapons in RoS deal 3400 DPS while two-handers do 4200+. (Which is wildly too low for 2H; they’re even more useless in RoS than in D3V.) That’s a lot more than double the best DPS you can find in D3V, and with the other item stats much the same, almost every player can count on finding a considerable weapon upgrade by level 65.

    There are very few changes in how D3V affixes work on items in Reaper of Souls. Currently, the DiabloWikitrifecta stats are virtually unchanged. The big differences are some added affixes, especially Crushing Blow, and the huge increases in possible stat values and Defense numbers. Those big stat rolls are behind most of the easy RoS item upgrades, since shoulders, boots, chest armors, pants, and bracers all look much the same in RoS as in D3… except they have 500 more to the mainstat and/or vitality.

    The exceptions are some legendary items that get special bonuses in Diablo 3, chiefly Lacunis bracers and Inna’s Pants with IAS and Movement Speed, and Witching Hour belts with IAS and Critical Damage. I hung on to the Inna’s Pants on my Monk and Demon Hunter all the way to 70, but as I went up in difficulty I finally had to stop ignoring the big differences in damage and gigantic differences in defense, stats, and resistance, simply to retain some faster run and IAS.

    Decisions, decisions...

    Decisions, decisions…

    Witching Hour is a tougher trade off, since the IAS and critical hit damage are golden. Also bear in mind that you can Enchant and considerably upgrade one mod on all of your carried over legendaries, though each roll requires a Forgotten Soul (the new orange material) and those only come from salvaging newly-found end game legendaries. I’m always out of them, but when you can turn some unwanted +84 to INT into another trifecta stat, or +500 to mainstat or vit, or 90 res all, that’s a huge upgrade to your D3V legendary item.

    All off-hand weapons go the same route as most of the armor. RoS versions get much the same stats but can have 500 more to mainstat and vitality, and that makes for pretty easy upgrades, even if you’re giving up some of your critical hit damage or losing a bit of IAS, etc.

    Another factor; the partial Item Set bonuses on your D3V sets are negligible in Reaper of Souls. Most of those bonuses are around +130 to a stat, or +55 res all, which is good in D3V but hardly worth noticing in RoS when your character has 5500 mainstat and 1000 res all wearing decent quality Rares at level 70. (You do not get partial set bonuses mixing and matching D3V with RoS-dropped set items, and while some of the partial set bonuses in RoS have been tweaked, they’re still much the same and thus generally useless.)

    Holding Value

    There are some slots where the top D3V items are as good or better than new RoS gear. (This refers to the quality of gear you’ll likely find in your first weeks of RoS. Long term, players will accumulate Legendaries and Rares that will definitely out-point carried over D3V items.)

    D3V gloves with Enchant-added CB.

    D3V gloves with Enchant-added CB.

    The most obvious are rings, amulets, and gloves, since the D3V versions have the same values on trifecta stats, and they can have more primary stats than RoS items. Most Rares in RoS have just 2 or 3 primary stats. Rolling one with 4 is very rare, and I’ve seen just a handful of Rares with 5 primary stats, and usually that was a lie/bug as one of the stats listed as Primary wouldn’t allow other primary stats to swap for it via Enchanting.

    That’s probably confusing if you’re not playing, but the whole point in RoS is getting as many primary stats as possible on an item, since only primary stats can switch to other primary stats via Enchanting. So if you have a RoS rare ring with critical hit damage, crit chance, +dex, lightning resistance, and +exp per kill, the first 3 are primary stats and the last 2 are secondary stats. And if you want to reroll one of those affixes to IAS, or Crushing blow, or %chance to Splash Damage, all res, you MUST roll one of the primary stats. The secondary stats can never roll into one of those (much better) primary stats. (And you couldn’t roll res all on an item that also had an individual resistance anyway.)

    This matters for item quality since while you get much bigger rolls on attributes in RoS, you can’t get 5 or 6 primary stats on the same item as you can in D3V. And thus really good D3V rings, amulets, and gloves can outperform RoS ones, even giving up hundreds of attributes… primarily since a RoS item with a trifecta doesn’t have any more primary stats to roll additional great mods, while a D3V one does. And especially since you can upgrade the attribute rolls on carried over D3V gear to the much bigger RoS values.

    I’ve yet to upgrade any of my D3V crafted amulets in Reaper of Souls, and I’ve made, at best, parallel moves on rings and gloves, only switching over by giving up some damage in order to greatly increase Toughness via more hit points, %life, resistances, defense, life regen, Life on Hit, etc.

    The last special case is the helm. Rare Helms in RoS are potentially better than most rares and legendaries in D3V, but only if you get a huge roll to mainstat and vit. You can upgrade any existing D3V helm to turn one attribute from 150ish into 450ish, but you can not do that to vit AND mainstat, and there are no more “split stat” affixes; vit and mainstat now always come from two different affixes.

    I maded dis.

    I maded dis.

    The big exception to this rule of replacement is the DiabloWikiMempo of Twilight helm. I’ve played a fair amount of Monk, Demon Hunter, and Crusader, taking the first two from 60 up to 70 and beyond, and neither of them has ever seen a helm I even considered switching out for the Mempo. As for the Crusader, I stuck my Barb’s old Str Mempo on him as soon as he hit 60. And my Mempos aren’t even that great since I’ve never had the budget to blow a billion+ on one with Crit chance. (Nor did I have the luck to roll it in RoS, though I might try some more when I have the legendary mats to do so.)

    There are legendary helms in Reaper of Souls that blow away the Mempo; even an Enchant-upgraded Mempo with 450 mainstat or vitality. But they’re very rare and I’ve not found any yet. (I did find one Inna’s helm but weirdly it didn’t have Critical hit Chance.)


    I’ll say it again since it probably can’t be said enough. This is a very preliminary report based on the first week of testing. It took me several days and hundreds of enchants to get a good sense for how the system worked, which mods were scarce and/or valuable, how primary and secondary interacted, which affixes were the most useful for various play styles, what the overall scarcity and value of affixes was, etc. And it’s all based on the current game, which will almost certainly change quite a bit over the remaining months of the beta test.

    I’m not urging or ordering anyone to liquidate their D3V gear, especially since you’re still playing and you need that stuff. However, if you’re not planning to play that much between now and the hypothetical 2014 date when Reaper of Souls goes live, or you have extra gear or retired characters, you might want to strip them like a good car in a bad part of town and get gold (which currently has utility in RoS, chiefly for the very pricey item enchanting) for their equipment that you’ll be able to quickly and easily upgrade come Reaper of Souls. Weapons and gems and materials most obviously, but other stuff is also expendable if you’re looking long term.

    I’m not just going hypothetical here; in the past week I’ve liquidated most of the gear from my D3V characters, raising several hundred million in gold for gear and gems I figured I would outgrow within the first few days of Reaper of Souls. Will I regret it if there are massive changes to the game’s economy between now and launch? Possibly, but I’m not real worried. Clearly the philosophy behind RoS is that self finding is the route to happiness, so you could start the game from scratch and given the rate of found upgrades past level 60, by level 70 you’d be not far behind the gear quality of a character tho entered RoS at level 60, with a full wardrobe of very good quality D3V items.