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The State of the Monk: Additional follower or future OP class?

state of the monk in diablo 3It’s no surprise that the Monk class has been in need of some love pre 2.1. However with the second iteration of the patch on the PTR that need has not yet been abided. People are still clamoring for more sweeping changes(pun intended).

I was a heavy Monk user pre ROS and took a break with the xpac to delve into my first love(WD) and my new fling(crusader). I returned to the Monk only a few weeks ago and what I found was a shell of what I had left. After suffering for a long time as a WD it was nice when they finally rose to prominence. After a while on the top I wanted a new challenge and set my sights back on my monk, however even this challenge seems to daunting then all that time as a struggling WD. Diablo Forum MVP Druin put together an eloquent look at the myriad issues facing the class:

Hello everyone!

I am back from vacation and I am looking to write up a concise review of where we stand in 2.1.

My plan is to give a quick overview of our major issues then discuss the 2.1 changes and how they affect the various facets of our class.

I will be using this thread to fine-tune what we want to communicate to the devs and then I will make a major “state of monks in 2.1″ thread on the PTR forums to attempt to get some help for our lovely class! :D

1. Current Monk Issues


This is really at the forefront of the monk issues.

Since the release of RoS, monks have been having a tough time with DPS. We have a very limited range of options mostly centering around the skill Exploding Palm. (Un)fortunately EP is being changed as it breaks greater rifts (along with Rimeheart and Furnace) so our only source of widely competitive damage is going away. This leaves monks in a pretty bad spot.

Our spenders do very little damage (I mean VERY little) relative to their cost and our generators are used more as proc-vehicles for Odyn Son, Thunderfury, Shard of Hate and Rime/Furnace more than as sources of damage themselves. This leaves us with our 6pc Raiment of 1000 Storms which makes DS proc a 3000% weapon damage attack on cast. 3000% damage is a lot and it scales with lightning damage gear but DS has a flat-immutable 6 second cooldown. This can be mitigated to some extent by using Jawbreaker to give “free” dashing strike charges but that interaction is quite clunky.

Basically, monks will be forced into a clunky, hard-to-use situationally terrible Storm-breaker set in order to compete with other classes in damage. If they don’t want to use this mechanic, they will do very poor damage.


Next on the list is our ability to survive. This is a more controversial topic with some finding survival to be quite easy and many others finding it to be quite hard. In 2.1 with the change from dex giving dodge to dex giving armor and the change from OWE to Harmony, many monks who had minor synergy with OWE will see a minor tankiness boost. (my Raiment set for example)
On the other hand, monk who are deeply invested into OWE will see a major tankiness loss. (my Shatter-palm set). In either case, both types of monks probably have a lot of trouble living in T6 without 2x Unity or the constant dashing from Storm-breaker. Why is this? Because monks have to face-tank so much stuff.

Our primary source of resource generation comes from skills that require you to be up-close and personal with mobs which means a lot of damage can’t be avoided. To compensate for this, end-game monks are forced to take defensive passives (Harmony) defensive skills (Epiphany-shroud / Serenity / Inner Sanc / Blinding Flash) and CDR in basically every single spec. This is extremely limiting to the monk playstyle though arguably less of a problem than the DPS as the defensive skill/CDR solution does exist.

Additionally, sustain is nearly non-existent. LoH requires primary affixes which takes away from our already terrible DPS, LPS is the same, LPSS both takes primary affixes AND is extremely poor and Globes took a pretty big hit in 2.1. Monks actually have access to healing skills but, for some reason, they are tuned to be SO weak that they are essentially non-existent.

Resource Management

This is a more fundamental problem than the other two issues. Mere number tweaks would likely not result in this issue being resolved.

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A Guide to Diablo: IncGamers site changes – Here’s what we’ve done

Regular readers will have noticed quite a few changes on Diablo: IncGamers since the launch of Reaper of Souls which was the motivation for us to make some of the changes we had been thinking about for a while.

When RoS launched we pushed the first stage of front page layout changes live. We know everyone likes to read their content in different ways so the site was changed to a similar layout to the main IncGamers site. Of course not every one will love that format so in the past week we set to work on the second phase which was giving you the option to read the content in the old format if you so desired.

In case you hadn’t spotted it, there are a couple of buttons above the news that allow you to switch to your preferred format.

change view

Probably the toughest job we had to undertake was the forums. We have used the same forum system for around a decade and there were millions of posts to port over. It was important to us to make sure that threads from the old forum were not lost, we’d have hell to pay from you guys if they went missing :) Remember the great forum crash of 2003? That was not pretty.

So why the change? There were numerous reasons, the next version of the same forum was bloated with features that were useless to the community here. Spammers were also a consideration and the previous software was starting to struggle with the rise in spammers over the last couple of years. We needed a system that could pro- actively catch them and then make life easier for IncGamers moderators to deal with anything that managed to slip through.

The end results once we switched were good. The forums are now easier to use, faster and more robust. It’s taken some time to iron out issues with posts moved over from the old system but I would say we are 95% there with most things now. The forum is now easier to use and has more features to track new content additions.

One of the main issues we had during the change was with your logins. We have a custom login system that ties your forum account to the main site. When we moved forums that obviously broke down and had to be recreated. One of the issues we came up against was the inability for guests to post in the news and members who were logged in seeing a captcha. This was not acceptable so it took a few days for me to sort out but thankfully it now all works.

Regarding commenting on news, originally we had the news post into the community forum but as things move quite quickly here as far as content is concerned, we thought it best to create a separate forum for the news discussions. This reorganisation prevents any community forum discussion being lost in a pile of news. Your discussions are important after all.



Regarding accounts. Some of you have been registered here for over a decade and we have been helping members who have had login issues since the switch because they no longer have access to the email they originally registered with. If there are any of you still caught in that trap then we can sort it for you. Send an email here and we will deal with it.

With the new forums came new features, and something we’ve wanted to do for some time is highlight pro-active members and also award trophies for actions by the community. Elly sat down over a few days to come up with the points and reward system. You may have spotted the icons on threads but so you know how it works I have posted all of the trophies below for reference.

There are still a few things to do but the core updates are now in place. Your feedback on anything we do is much appreciated and a special thanks to the PALS who have helped make all the changes possible with their contributions.


Thread StarterThread Starter -Points: 15 -You have started 5 Threads
Topic RaiserTopic Raiser – Points: 45 -You have started 20 Threads
Town CryerTown Cryer – Points: 90 -You have started 50 Threads
ConfabulatorConfabulator – Points: 91 -You have started 80 Threads

Setting the Agenda Setting the Agenda – Points: 120 -You have started 120 Threads


Primary Source Primary Source – Points: 1 – Somebody out there liked one of your posts.

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Diablo 3 Gold Duping Ban Victims Plead Innocence

Posted 14 May 2013 by

If you’re the sort of person who likes to read despairing forum posts from Diablo 3 Gold Duping
people who were banned for cheating at Diablo 3, then you’ve come to the right place. There are lots of such posts in the forums of late, all boldly proclaiming their innocence and the injustice of their bans.

To be clear, I don’t know if these guys are guilty of anything, and none of them seem to be amongst the infamous “415″ gold dupers. They all say they’re innocent, that they only sold some gems, etc. Maybe that’s true, but if you’re anti-duping and you want to scrape some of the digital tears off the screen to savor them in your leisure, I’m not going to stop you. All the following are partial quotes because TLDR, and they all got form letter Blue replies.

This is not a reasonable banned on my account, Blizzard company has not stated by receiving gold from others players is against violation, if it does then please banned all players out there that has also done so ( which i believe you won’t have anymore players left by then )

This account has not done any sort of duping/gems selling and violate to Auction House and i have the transactions logs to proof it, My friend trade me free gold for 30bill before he quits and i didn’t realized until the trade is completed that i have received 300bill instead I have played diablo since the very first day and there were no commas on trade menu and i have suggest this issue but none of the blues ever reply so i don’t think i should take the blame.

Got rolled back since I sold radiant star gems at GAH when I saw high prices… Now all my gear is BOA. I have very high end gear on my char. What am I suppose to do with it now?? If I wanna upgrade a 1b piece for 2b one? just throw it away? I got screwed without even knowing there was a dupe bug at that time.. Im pissed off at point I might just stop playing now. Anyone experience similar situation? Sent a ticket 3 days ago and never got answer, blizzard really cares about customers apparently
Hi all, I just wanted to jump in the thread here and let you know that we’re still in the process of reviewing some aspects of the RMAH issues for accounts that were affected by the audit. If you have any specific questions or concerns about where we’re at with an auction on your account, or why a specific course of action was taken, please feel free to message us. Please keep in mind that due to the high volume of inquiries surrounding this issue, we may not be able to immediately respond. During the normal phone hours for our various support regions, we do offer live web chat which you can use to chat with us directly.

Thank you for your patience and for your understanding :)

Blizzard Customer Support

Click through for more schadenfreude-dripping tales of woe, if that’s the sort of thing you enjoy.

When Tuesday happened, I had 122 dollars in my bnet balance. I saw gem prices were high, bought gems on the rmah and then sold them on the gold ah (this was when they were selling for like 45 million).

On wed, I get the email saying my account is locked. Try and log in today (haven’t gotten an email back yet) and everything I own is account bound and I am short $122 dollars out of my bnet balance. How is that possible or even legal?

There were people who accidentally duped gold who were banned. I know not all dupers did it by mistake. I never duped gold but I have done the actions required to dupe gold before the patch. All you have to do is cancel a gold stack option. I never cancelled a 2b+ gold stack sure but I don’t see the difference. If you ever cancelled an auction you deserve to be banned. Oh no wait you don’t.

What the hell is this? After four days of “investigations” Blizzard has banned my diablo 3 account.

And I can tell you here and now that I have in fact not participated in this scandal, I have not used the RMAH and I have not had any interactions with dupers/cheaters. I have however sold my gems on the auction house at a whopping 35m each. That’s right I have sold my radiant star gems ( acquired prior patch 1.0.8) at 35m each because hey! I just logged on and the floor cap of gold dropped 10 fold so it’s only natural for me to assume that the prices of gems would go up. But what I did no expect is to get a suspension and NOW I am completely banned….Why!?
Hi all, through reading the posts here I see that while some of you have had the accounts reviewed, others may have not yet asked for our assistance. As ever, we do encourage you to let us know if you have any questions. Although we’re not always able to go into specific detail about why an account action may have happened, we’ll do our best to provide as much detail as possible and/or address any further concerns in regards to the account.

If you have an account that you would like us to review, please submit the ticket here, and we’ll do our best to get back to you as soon as possible.

Are you guys breaking out the world’s smallest violins, or do you love to hear people who were (allegedly) cheating despairing at the doom and ruin that’s come to all they knew and loved?

Also, this is a great chance for some haters to wade in and assign blame like a bonobo on a bad day. Clearly this is all Blizzard’s fault. They probably put the bug into v1.08 on purpose to allow players to cheat and dupe gold! Then they were slow to shut down the realms, which allowed more players to cheat, just since they wanted to ban them and get an extra $60. Plus then Bli$$ard didn’t rollback so the Auction House downtime would be longer. Clearly, JW/Bashy/console/RMAH is to blame.

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